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Set on multi-way flop, a bet + multi-calls

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vlzvl
Joined: 17.03.2014

PokerStars 8500+1500 - NLHE Tournament (STT, 9-man, Regular) - 10/20 Blinds - 8 players

UTG+1: t680, 34 BBs
MP: t800, 40 BBs
MP+1: t960, 48 BBs
HJ: t970, 49 BBs (4) VP:0 PFR:0 AF:0.0 3B:0 AS:0 FS:0 CB:0 FC:0 WS:0 W$:0
CO: t1930, 97 BBs (4) VP:60 PFR:0 AF:3.0 3B:0 AS:0 FS:0 CB:0 FC:50 WS:33 W$:100
Hero (BTN): t970, 49 BBs
SB: t1550, 78 BBs (4) VP:66 PFR:0 AF:3.0 3B:0 AS:0 FS:0 CB:0 FC:100 WS:33 W$:100
BB: t1140, 57 BBs

Preflop: (t30) Hero is BTN with 5 :spade: 5 :heart:
1 fold, MP calls t20, 1 fold, HJ calls t20, CO calls t20, Hero calls t20, SB calls t10, 1 fold

Flop: (t120) 5 :diamond: 9 :club: J :heart: (5 players)
SB bets t40, 1 fold, HJ calls t40, CO calls t40, Hero ???

I raised here about 120 but after game i found it was too short. I give good odds to the original bettor and if someone calls after me the pot odds gets better and better.
My thinking is i should raise enough to give wrong odds not only to original bettor but on next villain(s) as well since it's multiway.
Do you think it's a good plan to bet here around 200 instead ?? or do you think it's way too much given the somewhat safe flop (only T8x possible draw)


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Castle93
Joined: 06.06.2011

Raise to 220 against 3 people (size of the pot).


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kidzoltan
Joined: 05.08.2010

ye,s raising bigger is the best play in my opinion, chances are someone is going to call you, because it's multiway.


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coldchurch
Joined: 20.02.2013

I even wouldn't mind shoving, depending on buyin of the tournament. You will probably get a call in a 4way pot in the very micro buyin tourneys. :-)


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vlzvl
Joined: 17.03.2014

Thanx for the help, much appreciated.

I even wouldn't mind shoving, depending on buyin of the tournament. You will probably get a call in a 4way pot in the very micro buyin tourneys. :)

I thought about as well, given the pot size is worthy (25% of my stack) but i found the board pretty safe for that.
If the board had an ace i would consider that as well :)
I know what you mean, however i don't have enough stats about the players but against stations i so like a nice, big raise :f_drink:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would still make a normal raise on the flop on a dry board like this. I think you can even consider making it around 300 in total against so many fishy players and then you can shove the turn easily.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Okkernootje
Joined: 02.09.2013

We should raise to such an amount that 1 call would give us a nice turn shove. It's called betsizing planning.
Obv we want to gii here asap, but shoving on the flop could easily scare of weaker Jx's, even strong 9x. So raise >>>> shove almost always.

Raise to around 270 would leave us with 680. With 1 caller the pot would be 740. Fine.


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vlzvl
Joined: 17.03.2014

Originally posted by Okkernootje
We should raise to such an amount that 1 call would give us a nice turn shove. It's called betsizing planning.
Obv we want to gii here asap, but shoving on the flop could easily scare of weaker Jx's, even strong 9x. So raise >>>> shove almost always.

Raise to around 270 would leave us with 680. With 1 caller the pot would be 740. Fine.

Thanx for the explanation, nice insight :)
I suppose any bet from 220-270 range (like 90% to 110% of pot) is acceptable since it nicely bloats the pot and any future bet pot-commits us and that's the clue.


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