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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

UTG: $10.43 (104 bb)
MP: $13.73 (137 bb)
CO: $12.31 (123 bb)
BU: $12.61 (126 bb)
SB (Hero): $10.41 (104 bb)
BB: $8.02 (80 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K K
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 2 players fold, Hero 3-bets to $1, 1 fold, MP calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) 3 T 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.01, MP calls $1.01

Turn: ($4.12) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50

River: ($9.12) T (2 players)
Hero bets $5.90 (all-in), MP calls $5.90

Villain: 26/21, 81 hands, reasonably aggressive, WTSD 50%

Preflop: MP flatting range I think is something like AQ, AJs, KQs, QJs, JTs, JJ-88. or something like that. I expect him to 4bet QQ+, AK. (preflop 48 combos)

So, his flop calling range include some FD's and 88-JJ. Here TT might raise actually. So, I get good value and also a little FE from AQ and other suited broadways which didn't connect.
(CALL = JJ-88, JTs, AdQd, AhQh, KdQd, KhQh, AdJd, AhJh, KdJd, KhJh, QdJd, QhJh - 38 combos)

My EQ = 78% if he calls with backdoor FD's, but 74% if's he calls with regular FD's.

Turn: Villain's range = JJ,99,JTs,AhQh,KhQh,AhJh,KhJh,QhJh. I removed sets, because I expect him to raise it. They usually do.

My Turn EQ = 88%.

River: My plan is to Jam any river, because if I check then Villain gets to either check back his JJ and 99 and value bet Tx and flushes, but when I bet I keep those 99 and JJ under pressure to call down especially if flush draws miss OTR.

Question: Do you like cbet flop, x/r shove turn here? Or is that just giving a card away? I think I could do that to turn floaters.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

The river card isn’t the best card. He could have trips now and I’m not sure what kind of hands you will get value from with a shove. I would most likely check the river and then he could make a bluff and you could call if you have good reads on him. The rest of the hand seems standard to me.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would also bet the flop and the turn. Whether to shove this river card or not, I tend to agree with SDK.


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CucumbaMan
Joined: 13.10.2017

Yes, I agree with the guys above. Flop and turn looks good to bet, it is fine to bet. The river is tricky, because it paired the board, and also completed the flush (but it's not likely villain had a draw). I'd have shoved river as well, but as the guys mentioned above not sure which hand can give you value here, which does not beat you.


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

I also block Kd, so MP can't have AdKd, KdQd. He probaly just jams the turn anyway with big FD's, because calling turn is just bad.

Should I assume that MP flats some Tx hands prefop by default? From MP?
I imagine JTs as only candidate, but then again I can't be sure that he's not a Fun player and just call KTs, QTs.
If he has only JTs then bet is +EV, because JJ will call too. 2 vs 6 combos. I also block 3 KTs, so my bet should reach 50% (hands that i beat). And QTs = 2 combos. So, cleraly 6 vs 6. Can not check, because Jj check back, but Tx bets.

I planed the hand OTT. "I'm going to shove any river 100%. There will be very few tims when I'm behind + I'm way more likely to have a flush and i consider this hand to be +EV on most Rivers."

Do yo expect Villain to have some bluffs, when I check OTR?


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

I guess, both river shove and river x/f might just be 0EV or close and it doesn't matter what I do.

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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

EV = (Win) - (Loss) = (what I risk is my bet 5.90) - (what I might win is my bet + pot)

1. Worst case.

Board: 4♦T♥3♥ 8♦ T♦
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    64.71%  64.71%   0.00% { JJ-TT, 88, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs }
SB     35.29%  35.29%   0.00% { KdKs }

EV = ([9.12+5.90]*0.35)-(5.90*0.65) = 15,02*0,35-5,90*0,65 = 1,757-3,835 = -2.078 $ EV

2. Removing sets (likely raise earlier)

Board: 4♦T♥3♥ 8♦ T♦
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    53.85%  53.85%   0.00% { JJ, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs }
SB     46.15%  46.15%   0.00% { KdKs }

EV = 15,02*0,46-5,90*0,54 = 6,91 - 3,186 = + 3,724 $ EV

3. Realistic case, in my opinion (less Tx in MP's range)

Board: 4♦T♥3♥ 8♦ T♦
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP3    40.00%  40.00%   0.00% { JJ, ATs, JTs }
SB     60.00%  60.00%   0.00% { KdKs }

EV = 15,02*0,60-5,90*0,40 = 9,01 - 2,36 = + 6,65 $ EV

3.1. If folds out all JJ and calls Tx (6 out of 14 combos fold out) (sometimes 99 so it's even better)
Called EV = 15,02*0,00-5,90*1,00 = 0 - 5.90 = -6,65 $ EV, when i get called by Tx
Fold EQ = 6/14 = 0,428 = 42.8 %
EV = (15,02*0.480)-6,65 = 7,021 - 6,65 = + 0,37 $ EV


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We can xc river .


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