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'Great' poker playe of villain?

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RubbyDubby
Joined: 15.02.2018

Hi,

I'm on a downswing and do not know if I played this one correctly.

SB: 116.4 BB (VPIP: 35.92, PFR: 27.46, 3Bet Preflop: 16.36, Hands: 148)
Hero (BB): 149 BB
UTG: 49.6 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 10)
CO: 115 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 23.57, 3Bet Preflop: 6.35, Hands: 143)
BTN: 78.8 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♦ T♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB
I like to call here against that type of a player with this hand.

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) A♣ 8♦ Q♦
SB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB

Turn: (12 BB, 2 players) 4♣
SB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, SB raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

River: (52 BB, 2 players) 6♥
SB bets 28 BB

Now the question is not so much about exactly this hand but more about 5NL and being what is called 'balanced'?.
What I mean is if you fold to all this aggression you will be run over at 5NL I think. You simply have to catch bluffs.

So folding the turn is not in question but when a blank hits the river should I fold???

I think this is a suckout. What do you guys think. Suckout or 'great' poker play of villain?

Spoiler

, Hero calls 28 BB

Yes my friends. When you run like shit you loose to this shit ALL the time.
When you run like a poker god you win all this type of shit ALL the time.

SB shows 8♠ 6♦ (Two Pair, Eights and Sixes)
(Pre 35%, Flop 14%, Turn 11%)
Hero mucks A♦ T♦ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 65%, Flop 86%, Turn 89%)
SB wins 103.6 BB


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MrQNo
Joined: 30.09.2006

Some hands ago, i was 4betted by 76o preflop, i read his hand as missing a slightly connected board with no face cards, called my kings down and lost against his full. No chance to fold anywhere. That’s NL5 for you. You have to call a lot of strange bets.

Preflop in blind battle, you could consider a 3bet.

With a T kicker, i would bet my TP ott 2/3 pot.

otr, i would call, throw my mouse against the wall and write a note.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

If the guy is active and is stealing a lot, I would prefer 3betting. But it is just fine to call.
I think flop and turn are standard. You still have a nut FD to go with your top pair so I would call his raise too. But those raises at NL5 are still very very strong and often you can follow a simple rule that you should fold vs a turn raise if you have less than 2 pair (baluga theorem). So now that you don't hit OTR and villain bets over half pot I would really consider folding. Just because I don't expect the general population at NL5 to pull this kind of bluffs very often. But balance wise I think it was a good call.

And about villain's play. I really wouldn't raise the turn if I was him.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Preflop: Against 36/27/16 player, we definitelly can 3bet/call ATs pre.

Flop: We can even raise the flop for value vs his wide range, imo, because he is capable of calling KK, Qx, worse Ax, gutshots and worse flushdraws, and is capable of 3bet bluffing, so we can get the money in vs him in this situation.

Turn: I think we should bet the turn bigger for value (at least 2/3) and call if he raises, but plan to fold the river unimproved, I believe.

River: We need like 26% of equity to call. All draws missed (except 75, but he has this very rarely to never), but that's maybe doesn't help as alot because I expect this kind of player to continue betting the turn with a diamond flushdraw and also betting with turned club flushdraw. We can't completelly discount missed flushdraws, but I think he doesn't have many of those so consequently he doesn't have alot of air in his range. The next question is - can he value bet worse hands? I think not or very rarely. He also represents sets and two pairs very well. The biggest factor that votes for calling is the fact that he is very aggressive player, but overall, with all the factors combined, I think we won't have 26% of equity in average, so I would fold.

[EDIT] I just saw the hand results in the spoiler and agree that he is a real morron, but I still think we can't call the river in this particular hand. With the read we just get, we can definitelly bluffcatch vs him very lightly in future occassions.


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DSharkP
Joined: 16.09.2012

I dont mind the call preflop, keeps his range wide, and I like the call on the flop but wouldnt mind a raise due to our draw to nut flush, and some fold equity, but i like the call as well, I dont like the bet on the turn, and calling his Re-Raise I dont think we will be ahead that often, I might fold, as played and called i would def fold the river.


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melting735
Joined: 04.05.2018

Originally posted by DSharkP
I dont mind the call preflop, keeps his range wide, and I like the call on the flop but wouldnt mind a raise due to our draw to nut flush, and some fold equity, but i like the call as well, I dont like the bet on the turn, and calling his Re-Raise I dont think we will be ahead that often, I might fold, as played and called i would def fold the river.

As played, I don't think you have the equality to fold to the turn raise, it is 14 bb to win 38bb and possibly his remaining stack. I would call and fold if the hand is not getting improved otr.


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RubbyDubby
Joined: 15.02.2018

Hi all and thank you very much for your replies!

I've been thinking a lot about this hand and came to the conclusion that as you all say calling the river here is wrong.

Interesting point though and a thank you @DSharkP, now i think that my bet on turn is the real mistake.

If I would just have checked the turn (with all my equity) and when villain bets half pot and two cents (7BB) on the river, snap call (and the hand would not been here in the forum :)).


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

MrQNo said he would bet the turn 2/3, Alleen said the same and I agree. Sure DSharkP said in one sentence without any reasoning the he doesn't like the turn bet but I'm not sure how did you conclude that betting the turn is the real mistake here.

You still have top pair with decent kicker, you are in positions where ranges are wide and you are IP. We still want to get money from draws and weaker made hands and since we are IP I think quite often betting the turn could make our live easier OTR.


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Shaluga
Joined: 10.05.2018

I don't mind a call or a 3-bet pre in this pot especially as you have post-flop position. Some insights into post-flop reads/stats would also be useful here. Does this player generally fire his full-range on the kind of flop? In the absence of any other information, his flop bet does keep a chunk of a fairly wide range in play in my book. I like the call here as we have this range crushed at the moment and we want to keep that range in play. The turn doesn't change much and when he checks his range actually appears even weaker so I can live with either a check behind or a bet for value although we're probably only valued against a limited combination of weaker aces (limited because depending on his post-flop aggression he might continue to fire with an A here) and flush draws. Medium pairs might also call again here. As played, the check-raise must be read in the context of any reads we have. Would he play club draws like this? (I'd be surprised to see 44 and I can't put him on flopped trips or 2 pair). Still I think we need to call here and assuming no club lands I'd probably check-call the river


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