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KTs OESD+FD vs 2

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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

PokerStars - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 182.2 BB
BTN: 164.9 BB
SB: 35.8 BB
BB: 29.6 BB 29/26
UTG: 37 BB
MP: 74.3 BB 57/37 - Fold to 3bet after raise: 27

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♦ T♦

UTG calls 1 BB, MP raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

Flop: (8.5 BB, 4 players) J♠ 9♦ 8♦
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets 8.1 BB, Hero calls 8.1 BB, BB raises to 27.6 BB and is all-in, fold, MP raises to 47.1 BB, Hero ?

What ranges do you place them? Wouyld you shove here?


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Would you agree with this?

Board: 9♦8♦J♠
       Equity  Vencer  Empate
MP3    19.81%  18.21%   1.60% { 77+, AKs, AJs-A7s, KJs-K7s, QTs, J8s+, T7s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, AKo, AJo-A8o, KJo-KTo, QTo+, J8o+, T7o+, 98o }
CO     46.88%  43.06%   3.82% { KdTd }
BB     33.32%  29.45%   3.86% { TT-88, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, T7s, 98s, KTo, QTo, J9o+, T7o+, 98o }


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pokerplayernumber1
Joined: 05.06.2010

This is one spot I wouldn't mind to gamble


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

What You think about preflop, I don't like call here, button or blinds can squueze (short stacks on blinds can go all in preflop).
One of this player can has Ace high flush draw on flop (BB with low suited aces too).


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

Originally posted by yangmartins
Would you agree with this?

Board: 9♦8♦J♠
       Equity  Vencer  Empate
MP3    19.81%  18.21%   1.60% { 77+, AKs, AJs-A7s, KJs-K7s, QTs, J8s+, T7s+, 95s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, AKo, AJo-A8o, KJo-KTo, QTo+, J8o+, T7o+, 98o }
CO     46.88%  43.06%   3.82% { KdTd }
BB     33.32%  29.45%   3.86% { TT-88, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, T7s, 98s, KTo, QTo, J9o+, T7o+, 98o }

I'd add J7s+ Q8s+ MP seems fun.

Was that almost pot bet MPs standard bet size? Going by their stats, they both hit this flop, but they don't always hit it hard. Weak top pairs, middle and bottom pairs + gut shots. I don't mind shoving here, but I do this knowing that villains might be holding some of our str8 and FD outs.
Qd9, Qd8, Qd7, QdJd, 97, 87, 76, but at the same time we are blocking some of their nut range from getting there, I think.


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Originally posted by aleasy77
What You think about preflop, I don't like call here, button or blinds can squueze (short stacks on blinds can go all in preflop).
One of this player can has Ace high flush draw on flop (BB with low suited aces too).

BTN: 21/19 10 3bet

Spoiler

[P] 3Bet range {KK+,TT,AQs+,KJs+,Q9s,J9s} (11)
[P] 4Bet+ range {QQ-KK} (2)
[P] Called 2Bet from blinds range {KK,TT,88,55,AQs,A7s-A8s,QTs,Q2s,T8s,52s-53s,AJo} (14)
[P] Called 3Bets in position {99,33,AJs,76s} (4)
[P] Called 3Bets out of position with {AJo} (1)

SB: 44/2 Unlikely to 3bet (Only KK+)

BB: 29/26 11 3bet. Saw him limp - 3bet AA

MP: has 28 fold to 3bet after raise.

The stats of the players after me are the reason why I preffered to just call here, with decent possibility of playing IP.


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Their actual hands:

Board: 9♦8♦J♠
       Equity  Vencer  Empate
MP2    18.42%  18.27%   0.15% { Jd9c }
CO     42.56%  39.20%   3.36% { KdTd }
BB     39.02%  35.66%   3.36% { Tc7c }

I ended up shoving. I actually thought against their hands I would have less equity.
Nonetheless, I have 2 questions:
1- Is it profitable to shove with this equity against 2? Specially considering BB stack?
2- If I take BB off the equation, I am 49.34%. Considering that's the main pot, is gambling here the right choice?

P.S. Actual equity is not much different from the one against range. At least I think I got that right. I just didn't want to see QT in one and Axs:diamond: in other.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would just raise the flop to get in with the straight and 2nd nut flush draw.
This way you keep the initiative and it's less likely you get multi way situation like now.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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yangmartins
Joined: 28.11.2009

Originally posted by SDK1987
I would just raise the flop to get in with the straight and 2nd nut flush draw.
This way you keep the initiative and it's less likely you get multi way situation like now.

Cheers,
SDK1987

Even against villains whom you know you have no FE against? If they were any kind of decent players I think I'd have even raised PF. But these 2 aren't likely to fold even TP, or a T there. In such situation I often preffer to put them in with made hands, but starting to consider I have to gamble more in spots like this, even when I don't have FE.


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