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Dr1fter808
Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017
Posts: 3,241
26.04.2023, 09:51

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.4 BB
Hero (SB): 245.6 BB
BB: 132.92 BB
UTG: 181.2 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 117.72 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♣ K♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.8 BB, fold

Flop: (5.4 BB, 2 players) K♥ K♦ K♠
Hero checks, CO bets 4.08 BB, Hero calls 4.08 BB

Turn: (13.56 BB, 2 players) 9♦
Hero checks, CO bets 10.2 BB, Hero calls 10.2 BB

River: (33.96 BB, 2 players) 7♣
Hero checks, CO bets 25.48 BB, Hero raises to 229.12 BB and is all-in, CO calls 75.76 BB and is all-in

Hero shows J♣ K♣ (Four of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 32%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
CO shows Q♣ Q♦ (Full House, Kings full of Queens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 231.96 BB

The villain is a tag.

I want to know the answer to this as well because this is a relatively clean board for the QQ to go for three streets of value.

I need to know if I can put this situation into my "License to GO Broke" bin.

Thoughts?


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Krris
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Joined: 20.04.2014
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26.04.2023, 09:58

it goes broke af here


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Dr1fter808
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26.04.2023, 10:33

Originally posted by Krris
it goes broke af here

I want to bet fold river as V but what if I'm getting bluffed by an imaginary quads.


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Gomez224
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26.04.2023, 11:26

Assuming that you in the CO and holds the QQ and gets x/shove on the river by tag villain. I think you have to fold -> KQ, KJ, KTs, K9s could be in villain calling range (despite that he should 3bet those range). Hard to imagine that he plays like that with 9x.


FR: NL2 [X] NL5 [X] NL10[X] NL25 [F]
MTT: 1.1$[X], 2.2$[X], 3,3$[] 4,4$[], 5.5$[]

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Dr1fter808
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26.04.2023, 11:47

Originally posted by Gomez224
Assuming that you in the CO and holds the QQ and gets x/shove on the river by tag villain. I think you have to fold -> KQ, KJ, KTs, K9s could be in villain calling range (despite that he should 3bet those range). Hard to imagine that he plays like that with 9x.

Isn't it better not to 3bet KJs then? This one was not intentional though. I had too much going on in other tables.


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Gomez224
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26.04.2023, 17:36

From SB i think we should more 3bet then call to avoid sqz play from the BB.


FR: NL2 [X] NL5 [X] NL10[X] NL25 [F]
MTT: 1.1$[X], 2.2$[X], 3,3$[] 4,4$[], 5.5$[]

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jiffybag
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26.04.2023, 18:49

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by Krris
it goes broke af here

I want to bet fold river as V but what if I'm getting bluffed by an imaginary quads.

I think bet folding to a river jam is okay. V bet 3 streets and could have a K, and now is getting shoved on. Isn't Villains call better in a 3 bet pot?

I want to know the answer to this as well because this is a relatively clean board for the QQ to go for three streets of value.

It is a safe board and this is what should set alarm bells off, well for me anyways (you all can bluff me).

What is your table image like for V to make this call?


https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/your-poker-blogs-1435/life-after-the-farm-from-noob-to-ninja-520020/paged/10/

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Dr1fter808
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26.04.2023, 19:20

Originally posted by jiffybag

Originally posted by Dr1fter808

Originally posted by Krris
it goes broke af here

I want to bet fold river as V but what if I'm getting bluffed by an imaginary quads.

I think bet folding to a river jam is okay. V bet 3 streets and could have a K, and now is getting shoved on. Isn't Villains call better in a 3 bet pot?

I want to know the answer to this as well because this is a relatively clean board for the QQ to go for three streets of value.

It is a safe board and this is what should set alarm bells off, well for me anyways (you all can bluff me).

What is your table image like for V to make this call?

If we 3bet pre we never see the flop because of V's 4bet, and I don't think I'm calling with KJs oop. I don't think I am. Solver might suggest a call though. I might have to look this up.

Here is what I think, perhaps I flatted JJ/TT on SB, and is now value shoving, he tanked a while before calling my shove, that's what it looked like to me.

And by a small chance that I would turn KKK99 into a bluff on river. <-------I would not try this.

Edit: added explanation


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