[Closed] 100 NL - AT on Axxss oop vs minr from fish

Yeah. minraises from AF:1 = 77/33/A7/A3 I think.

you can be ahead of some /tho tiny/ of his minr range here, but u have to answer yourself a question before calling flop: on which cards are u continuing if he bets again .. /fish dont minr to give up later--> he will bet/ if your answer is u re only contining on T and about A u re not rly sure anyways.. then just fold it coz u dont have odds for your 5 outs.. if u have a plan of sth like c/r on flush hitting or sth of this nature too.. u could continue, but u have to be aware these ppl dont fold too much ♦

I am not sure about your assumption that he will never give up after bluffraising the flop, if he did so. I think his frequency to continue bluffing on the turn is far lower than on the flop, which makes a call vs. the minraise not that bad I think, even when giving up if he bets every time.

Also he could be raising a slightly worse hand on the flop as you said, that he decides to check down afterwards.

I just cant fold to a minr on the flop here! ;-)

Originally posted by VEGAStoMAINZ86
I am not sure about your assumption that he will never give up after bluffraising the flop, if he did so. I think his frequency to continue bluffing on the turn is far lower than on the flop, which makes a call vs. the minraise not that bad I think, even when giving up if he bets every time.

Also he could be raising a slightly worse hand on the flop as you said, that he decides to check down afterwards.

I just cant fold to a minr on the flop here!

if u make a survey and show me that at least 20% of the fish who minr such turn are checking back in position after your call and c on turn, i ll be very glad and maybe consider calling too .. but from what i see at my tables, its like they bet potsize or at least very nerve racking 1/2 of pot again on ANY turn.. and close to abs always..

generally: i want to be mercilessly valuebetting passive calling fish when i am confident i am ahead and not playing cat and mouse with me being the mouse when he minraises me.. let him have it and crush him the next hand

you are right about waiting for a better spot for sure.

tribune? Any other comments?

I think a fold on the flop might be best.
The problem is as you experienced that you call the flop only to fold to any further action - and you're out of position.
So the only thing you get by calling is a lot of ugly spots, reverse implied odds and no additional value if you're ahead - your plan is to call and check it down.