Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
Berzerger why the hell are you defending usage and selling of drugs? Do you do drugs? You do realise how addictive some drugs are right? And will all the new types of drugs nowadays you can be addicted after only a few times. That has nothing to do with that person..
A liberal at heart, I don't believe the government should interfere with a person's use of psychoactives as long as he uses them responsibly (as in without endangering others). But the discussion started when I saw someone approving death penalty, and for what? Selling a chemical? That kind of ticked me off right there.
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
I hope you stop using drugs. Because you might think your in control of it now.. But drugs don't do you any good. I know people that have been smoking weed for many years several times a week. And i see how much that has fucked them up. I can only imagine how bad it is with drugs like cocaine/meth/heroine.
Ever seen a hardcore alcoholic? Not much better. In fact worse. Although alcohol is completely legal and everyone is free to abuse it in the privacy of his own home, for better or worse. However, overwhelming majority of alcohol users do just fine drinking in bars and parties, having fun and not turning into alcoholics. People could do the same thing with less dangerous drugs, but it's illegal and apparently some believe this should be punishable by death. Now, I appreciate your concern for my health, I just don't want you to associate the word "drugs" with a broke crackhead looking to kill and rob someone to buy another fix as you seem to believe this is where all "drug users" inevitably end up.
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
If your not using drugs, Then why the hell are you defending it? Almost if not all drugs have health issues or serious side effects.. Hardcore drugs make people become addicted so quickly and only care about getting another high. That they WILL neglect their family. And once they run out of cash most people will start doing criminal things or selling their body to get it. If you honestly don't see how many damage drugs can do then you really need to start opening your eyes and stop living in your fairy tale world.
Fairy tale world, eh? I understand you're trying to get the point across that drug abuse is a problem, and I agree with that. What I'm trying to explain is that your thought process regarding how people become addicts isn't entirely correct. They don't automatically switch into addict mode because there's a dealer in the neighborhood. They buy the drug out of curiosity or try it because their friends do it. And for most users, this is where it ends after a couple of times. Those who do get hooked and don't seek help indeed to turn into addicts. But what is the solution to help those addicts? Execute their dealers? That's what the government of Malaysia (among others) suggests. I strongly disagree and because of that I'm now being labeled as inhumane drug proponent...
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
I think this is one of the funniest things you've said.
What a client does with his product is his own responsibility
Ofcourse give a crack addict some crack and it's not your fault that he uses it.. Come on live in the real world kid. They are addicts ofcourse they are going to use it. And it's NOT right to give or sell drugs. Is it right to sell weapon to little kids? Is it right to sell drugs to kids? By your logic it is. It's their own responsibility right?
Here you already assume the user is an addict. If someone gave you crystal meth, would you right away proceed to smoke it and turn yourself into an addict? No? Well if someone else does, is his dealer to blame for that choice? Now, let's assume we have an addict, and his dealer gets a change of heart and quits because he now believes selling drugs is immoral. Ever seen a hard drug junkie trying to go cold turkey? Not the most peaceful person imaginable. This person needs help, and killing his dealer doesn't help him one bit. What I see governments around the world do is spending more money on combating drug distribution and less on helping people.
Let's move on to your argument that selling guns to kids would be equally responsible. There's a difference between children and addicts. Children do not yet have enough life experience to significantly distinguish between right and wrong, which is why they're considered underage if they're younger than 18. Addicts are adults who chose to start and continue using drugs until physical dependence occurred. They do need help, but you shouldn't treat them as "victims of drug dealers", they're the ones who got themselves in such situation. Children are susceptible to the power of suggestion, you can make them believe drugs are cool, but that's clearly more immoral than selling to a junkie.
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
Btw we are talking about hardcore drugs. That make people addicted quickly. And simply cause WAY more harm then it does anyone good. Make a clear difference between softcore and hardcore drugs.. But like i said earlier even softcore drugs can really mess you up. And imo it's better that they stay illegal then to have people acces them freely and have certain people abuse them.
The Dutch Opium law says 2C-B is a hard drug. It's not addictive and I've never heard of anyone dying from it. That's just one example. I never bothered to check every schedule of every drug law in every country, but who says possession/distribution of equally harmless drugs isn't punishable by death in some countries? And you're just okay with that? No need to look into details, just make it easy and forbid them all?
On to the legality issue. First of all, making something illegal doesn't eradicate it from existence, it just makes sure the traffic goes through illegal channels and everyone involved becomes a criminal. You say it is better not to give people the possibility rather than risking them abusing hard drugs. I'm compelled to agree here. However, I don't think this is an optimal system for all psychoactive substances as most of them can be used recreationally like nicotine, theobromine and alcohol, which are all socially accepted drugs.
Finally, every year more people die of lung cancer than of drug overdose, every cigarette pack says "SMOKING KILLS!", tobacco companies keep turning huge profits every year and no one even thinks about outlawing smoking even though this is literally drug dealing on the largest of scales.
Here in holland you can get as few as 6 years if you kill someone.
