So jetzt gibt es was zu berichten.
Hab gerade wieder eine rote kiste freigespielt.
Benötigte punkte 165.
Die kiste war noch von gestern zum komplettieren mit 75 punkten.
Inhalt: 70 starscoins und 25 redemption points.
Muss jetzt noch was ergänzen.
Mein booster waren glaube ich 70 punkte und 25 redemption points waren in der vorherigen truhe.
Demnach habe ich 70 cent rake bezahlt und 70 cent rakeback bekommen. Sprich 100%
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Das wären 480 $ rake
Jetzt ist die frage ob ein booster nachgeholfen hat und wenn ja wie viele punkte der ausgemacht hat.
Was ich schon seit je her geil finde ist wie viele Leute das Wort "Rakebackgrinder" total abwertend benutzen und meinen, dass man als so jemand ja kein "richtiger" Gewinner sei und sich jetzt deswegen nicht beschweren solle. Man hätte ja schon früher "richtiger" Gewinner werden können. Das ist eines der dümmsten Statements in allen Pokerdiskussionen. Wenn ich also das Geld, dass mir durch die Pokerseite VON MEINEN WINNINGS abgezogen wird, TEILWEISE WIEDER ZURÜCKBEKOMME, dann bin ich also kein richtiger Gewinner mehr, sondern eine "Rakebackhure".
Ich habe vor zwei Jahren auf Stars 7-15d 9-man-SNGs ge-24-tablet und damals dann insgesamt mit 40% Supernova-Rakeback wohl so ca. 25 Euro/std gemacht. Erst kam dann die Schleswig-Holstein Regelung, die mich auf 10 Tische beschränkte, und jetzt wird das Rakeback komplett vernichtet. Man kann so gut sein wie man will: es ist UNMÖGLICH, genau so viel Geld unter heutigen Bedingungen zu machen. Der Rake in SNGs ist selbst auf Stars einfach so enorm hoch, dass das Rakeback im Verhältnis zum Skillfaktor enorm wichtig ist. Ich bin mir absolut sicher, dass auch der beste SNG-Spieler der Welt mit 10-tabling, wo man quasi immer A-Game spielen kann, nicht genau so eine hourly erreichen kann wie ein guter Spieler wie ich mit mass-tabling und 40% RB, auf dem gleichen Limit versteht sich. Er müsste dann einen ca. dreimal so hohen ROI haben, was einfach absurd ist.
Man ist als "Rakeback-Grinder" kein schlechterer Spieler, sondern man wählt bewusst die höhere hourly. Man nimmt in Kauf, nicht in jedem dafür geeigneten Spot den möglichen 3-barrel-bluff zu sehen, reduziert also seine Winrate, aber erhöht die hourly. Aber leider sind anscheinend viele Leute zu dumm zu verstehen, dass ein enormer Anteil aller Pokervarianten, gerade auf den niedrigen Stakes, ohne Rakeback kaum noch profitabel ist. Ich will mal sehen, wie viele Leute SNGs oder PLO (oder FL) ohne Rakeback jetzt noch gut schlagen können. Das ist quasi nicht mehr möglich. In PLO kommt man selten als großer Favorit All-In. Man hat fast immer 50, 60, 45, hin und wieder mal 65% - und mehr so gut wie nie. Wenn man sich jetzt mal klar macht, dass einem dann auch noch JEDES MAL ~5% Rake abgezogen werden, dann kann man halt nur noch gewinnen, wenn man quasi gegen einen Tisch aus völligen Donks spielt. Sobald man halbwegs solide Fische als Gegner hat, wird es schon ziemlich break even. Man zahlt in PLO jede Session mehrere Stacks an Rake. Wenn davon nicht zumindest ~30% zurückkommt, dann ist das heutzutage eine Einbuße, die - wenn überhaupt - nur die Handvoll an allerbesten Spieler kompensieren könnte, die auf Limits spielen, wo eine 0 mehr hinten dran hängt.
Da die meisten NL-Cashgames oder MTTs spielen, fällt ihnen nicht auf, dass durch das fehlende Rakeback manche Varianten quasi unspielbar geworden sind. Aber auch in diesen Hauptvarianten ist das Rakeback für seriöse Spieler ein riesiger Einbruch. Dann wird bei den allermeisten auch mal eben 30-50% der Winrate wegbrechen und das nicht, weil sie "Rakebackhuren" sind, sondern weil heute nicht mehr 2006 ist und Rakeback EIN INTEGRALER BESTANDTEIL von Online Poker ist.
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Das wären 480 $ rake
Jetzt ist die frage ob ein booster nachgeholfen hat und wenn ja wie viele punkte der ausgemacht hat.
Als ob das noch irgendeine Rolle spielen würde... 
Für mich ist Stars einen "Schritt" (eher Weitsprung) zu weit gegangen. Sie kriegen ihren Hals einfach nicht mehr voll und im Gegensatz zu früher, gibt es genug seriöse Alternativen mit spielbarer Software. Klar ist die von Stars immer noch die beste, aber lange kein Alleinstellungsmerkmal mehr.
Es müsste mal jemand eine Tabelle mit allen Maßnahmen der letzten Jahre erstellen. Rake im Prinzip überall rauf, dafür Rakeback für alle Spieler um ~80% gekürzt. Wer das noch versucht zu verteidigen, dem ist nicht mehr zu helfen. Selbst wenn es jetzt durch massive Abwanderung der Regs wieder softer wird, sind andere Seiten wie Party, Ipoker oder Microgaming mehr als spielbar.
Und ja, ich selbst bin noch vor Rakeback guter Winner auf den 7$ Spins gewesen, aber gerade bei varianzreicheren Varianten freue ich mich über ein varianzfreies Einkommen in Form von Rakeback, da dies, selbst wenn es z. B. nur 25% der Gesamtwinnings ausmacht, Downswingphasen erheblich abfedern kann.
Ciao Stars, werde wohl nur deine Turniere vermissen
Ich hab auch 150 Punkte je rote Kiste.
Sind bei euch die Booster auch immer gleich groß und betragen 45 Punkte?
Wie sieht es mit den grünen Redemption Points aus? Wieviele bekommt ihr da und sind die auch immer gleich oder wechseln die?
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Wie ist das mit den Farben der Truhen. Ist das zufällig, ob man nur rote bekommt oder auch andere Farben?Haben jetzt am Anfang alle rote Truhen?
EDIT: Die erste Frage konnte ich mir selbst beantworten. 4 Kisten einer Farbe am Tag um zur nächsten aufzusteigen.
Ich hatte auch ne rote am Anfang.
Hab aber auch nochmal ne Frage zu den Truhen - ich bin mittlerweile bei silbernen Truhen angelangt, werde es aber wohl als normal arbeitender Mensch nicht so schnell schaffen, auf dem Level 4 silberne Truhen an einem Tag zu clearen.
Werden die irgendwann zurückgesetzt, oder bleiben die auf Silber-LvL?Die frage ist gut.
Ich glaube nach 3 monaten inaktivität verfällt das ganze.Somit würde mein verständnis dafür sagen, dass du du wenn du in 3 monaten nur einmal spielst immer silberne truhen hast.
Wobei sich dann eine neue frage aufwirft. Je höher der status der truhe um so weniger spielt ma frei bei normaler frequenz. Demnach auch weniger coins.
Bei rot levelt man sich recht schnell nach oben, und die menge an roten truhen wirft viele kleinbeträge ab.
Sind die vielen kleinbeträge nicht eventuell in summe höher wie wenige größere?
Wenn man für drei Kisten hintereinander einen oder mehr als einen Tag (es zählen nur Tage an denen man spielt) wird man herabgestuft.
Beispiel:
Tag 1: 1 Kiste
Tag 2: 1 Kiste
Tag 3: 1 Kiste
-> Herabstufung
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ansonsten grad das hier gelesesen: https://www.pokerstars.eu/stars-rewards/faq/#/HowdoIearnrewardpoints
Poker:
Players earn 100 reward points for every USD $1 in rake or tournament fees paid (130 reward points for every £1, 80 points for every CAD $1, and 110 points for every €1).
Players do not earn reward points at pot-limit and no-limit tables with blinds of $5/$10 or higher, 8-game tables with stakes of $20-$40 or higher, or other limit games with stakes of $20-$40 or higher.
betrifft mich zwar nicht aber trotzdem ...
Loyds,
so ein Marketingleiter und auch der Programmierer der " Schatzkisten" möchten auch ein Steak aufm Teller haben. Dieses wird nicht billiger. Also gibt's ab und zu mal ne Preiserhöhung. Wo ist das Problem?
Alternativ - kein Rakeback keine Promos- Starsplattformabo kostet 10 Euro im Monat und gut ist. Wer nur den halben Film schaut im Kino zahlt ja auch den vollen Eintrittspreis.
Und dieses haben sie ne Paybackkarte geht doch eigentlich jedem auf den Sack-oder?
hatte dem Support eine kurze Mitteilung geschickt, dass ich auscashe weil mir der rake zu hoch ist und folgende Antwort erhalten:
vielen Dank für Ihre E-Mail.
Wir bedauern sehr, dass Sie mit unseren kürzlichen Änderungen der Rakes und Turniergebühren nicht glücklich sind.
Es ist richtig, dass einige Spieltypen davon betroffen sind. Wir beobachten unser vollständiges Spieleangebot aber weiterhin, um gegebenenfalls Änderungen an unseren Preisstrukturen vorzunehmen.
Falls wir Ihnen anderweitig helfen können, schreiben Sie uns bitte noch einmal.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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dem entnehme ich immerhin die leise Hoffnung, dass Stars sich offen hält Änderungen am Bonussystem vorzunehmen, wenn nur genügend grinder auscashen.. Also schließt euch an und zieht die Kohlen ab..
Preisstrukturen werden nur in eine Richtung geändert.
Und sollte Stars wirklich damit Minus machen weil die Regs gehen wird halt noch mal die Rakeschraube angezogen, merkt der Fisch ja nicht.
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Loyds,so ein Marketingleiter und auch der Programmierer der " Schatzkisten" möchten auch ein Steak aufm Teller haben. Dieses wird nicht billiger. Also gibt's ab und zu mal ne Preiserhöhung. Wo ist das Problem?
Alternativ - kein Rakeback keine Promos- Starsplattformabo kostet 10 Euro im Monat und gut ist. Wer nur den halben Film schaut im Kino zahlt ja auch den vollen Eintrittspreis.
Und dieses haben sie ne Paybackkarte geht doch eigentlich jedem auf den Sack-oder?
Wenn ich mich nicht irre hat Pokerstars letztes Jahr Gewinne von um die 800 mio Dollar eingefahren. Davon können sich die Leute sicher ein paar Steaks kaufen.
Da du sehr neu zu sein scheinst gehe ich davon aus, dass du in der Poker Materie nicht wirklich drin steckst. Bei dir geht es vielleicht um ein paar cent die du im Monat dadurch weniger hast, bei mir sind es ein paar hundert euro und bei anderen geht es um ein paar tausend euro.
Es geht um den Trend seit dem Pokerstars an Amaya verkauft wurde. Einen Frosch kocht man ganz langsam, damit wenn er gekocht ist er es nicht mal bemerkt hat.
Amaya streicht nicht sofort das ganze Rakeback und verdreifacht den Rake, die Spieler werden langsam dort hin geführt. Das ende ist dann ein Pokerstars bei dem nicht mal phil ivy NL2 schlägt weil der Rake so exorbitant hoch ist.
Aus der führenden Pokerseite wird ein Online Casino bei dem die ganzen gambler ihr Geld schneller an Amaya verlieren können. Mich würde es nicht wundern wenn in Zukunft Pokerstars umbenannt wird und Poker nur einen sehr kleinen Stellenwert einnimmt.
Du kannst dir ja mal ansehen wie selbst profitable Unternehmen enden wenn sie von Heuschrecken aufgekauft werden.
Habe gerade meine zweite Rote Kiste(insgesamt nicht nur heute) für 150 Punkte geöffnet und sehe das ich jetzt für die dritte dann plötzlich auch 240 Punkte brauche. Irgendwie seltsam
bin auch am überlegen ob ich alles auszahle habe zwar nie besonders viel rake produziert aber fühle mich einfach verarscht
könne sich ihre Kisten in den Arsch stecken
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hatte dem Support eine kurze Mitteilung geschickt, dass ich auscashe weil mir der rake zu hoch ist und folgende Antwort erhalten:Es ist richtig, dass einige Spieltypen davon betroffen sind. Wir beobachten unser vollständiges Spieleangebot aber weiterhin, um gegebenenfalls Änderungen an unseren Preisstrukturen vorzunehmen.
dem entnehme ich immerhin die leise Hoffnung, dass Stars sich offen hält Änderungen am Bonussystem vorzunehmen, wenn nur genügend grinder auscashen.. Also schließt euch an und zieht die Kohlen ab..
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:57 Uhr
That's a popular question. We are constantly evaluating pricing and the economy of each game. However, at this time there are no plans to decrease rake
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:02 Uhr
Hello @everyone and welcome to today's AMA!
We've received a lot of questions and feedback regarding the new Stars Rewards program and we wanted to take the time to address as many of them as possible. So, on that note, it is my pleasure to introduce @Dylan | Ravageur . Dylan is the Head of Customer Loyalty at PokerStars and has overseen the transition and launch of the new Stars Rewards program. He has been with PokerStars for over 6 years and is here to answer your questions today :smiley:
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Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:04 Uhr
Hi Pete, thanks for having me on here. Looking forward to diving in to the questions and will do my best to provide some answers.
Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:06 Uhr
Welcome welcome :smiley: I know you've been crazy busy putting this whole thing together, so let's jump straight in with some of the harder ones so that we can address them while our brains are still fresh...
"PokerStars hate winning players and is doing everything to destroy online poker and turn it into casino? Do you really think your customers don’t understand what you’re doing? Shame on you"
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Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:11 Uhr
Oof, jumping right into the deep end I see. Well here we go...
We designed Stars Rewards to offer better rewards to net-depositing players than winning players as these players ultimately drive the poker economy. We want to encourage players to win at the table using their skill rather than playing primarily to maximise returns. One of the main differences between this program and the VIP Club system is that it ensures that volume is not a decisive factor like it was in the past to receive meaningful rewards.
It's not that we don't love winning poker players - we do. However, there's a difference between appreciating and celebrating winning poker players versus giving them additional rakeback on their winnings. A lot has changed over the course of eleven years since the VIP Club was first designed, and the online poker landscape is a different place now that needs a new program that better serves our diverse customer base. Since we implemented the changes in 2016 to reduce rewards for the highest-volume players, more hands are seeing the flop which indicates a more appealing table-dynamic and deposits are lasting longer for new and casual players. We no longer believe that the previous approach which allocated the majority of the rewards to winning high-volume players is the right direction for us.
I appreciate that this is not what many of you want to hear, and the significance of these changes is not lost on us. Our goal is to grow poker as a whole and a new and better designed rewards program is an important step towards achieving this.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:13 Uhr
So, in simple terms, the goal is to keep net-depositing players playing the game, adding more money to the economy?
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:14 Uhr
Put very simply, yes. The goal is to engage and retain new and casual depositing players, who are ultimately the backbone of the poker economy.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:16 Uhr
Ok, thanks for the clarity there :smiley: We'll move swiftly on to another tough one... "Will PokerStars pocket the rakeback decrease or will it just be more distributed to losing players?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:20 Uhr
I am already sensing a trend....
The overall percentage will decrease for poker. Casino and sportsbook will of course see an increase as they're giving more rewards where they previously hadn't. Loyalty remains our most significant spend as a company and we will continue to invest in the development and engagement of our players. We invest in poker far more than anybody else and we play to continue to invest in our innovations and our marketing. We announced this week that we are picking up the tab for 60,000 PKR customers left in the cold without their bankrolls, we've hired Usain Bolt and Kevin Hart to reach out beyond the current poker base to bring new people to the game, and with the launch of PokerStars PowerUp, a new poker product, we are again trying to bring in new players to the game and reactivate players.
This kind of stability & resilience comes at a price, but we believe these changes are working. The company and the ecosystem is healthier, and we believe recreational players are having more fun.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:23 Uhr
Well then, that leads perfectly on to "I see people justifying the changes by saying it goes to recs yet I haven’t seen stats that they say the same amount of rakeback is being paid out?" asked by @Gosha(bearbeitet)
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:28 Uhr
Because the program is personalised to each player, I don't think I'll be able to satisfy that question. I can share that most of our recreational players will receive a similar level of rewards as before, and in many cases players will receive more rewards.
I've heard a lot of players in the questions thread claiming that the program only offers 5% in rewards, but recreational players will receive much more than that and this is across the full spectrum of our player base. As an example, there are former Supernova VIPs who are now receiving more with Stars Rewards than they did in our previous program.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:30 Uhr
Ah, that somewhat addresses my next question already "Can we get a tangible figure for RB now that the new rewards are in place? Party does 40%"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:34 Uhr
Yes I think it does. The short answer is that Stars Rewards is not a traditional rakeback program. Rewards are personalised and can vary based on recent activity.
We cannot guarantee a specific level of rewards for any given player givena few factors:
-The rewards inside Chests are randomised
-Progress bar requirements are personalised and may change based on recent activity. For example, a long-term winning player will need to earn more reward points to unlock a given Chest than a net-depositing player
-Players receive additional reward points in Chests which are also randomised
-Players who play more frequently will benefit from boosts, which net you double reward points when boosted.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:38 Uhr
Given the untraditional nature of the Rewards program, people are finding it hard to find ways to compare it to the old one, maybe you can help with this?
"Hey, greetings! My question as i have not yet understood ( and dont think it has been specified at all), is what is the ev of rakeback that the company is giving back? I understand that rewards are randomized and for 1 chest people can get different rewards depending on their vip status. But what i dont understand is how ev rakeback should a goldstar or a silverstar for instance expect to get on 1 month? with the previous system , to say , we knew a goldstar could get minimum 100 usd per month and platinum star 300. what is the difference ev wise in the new system? Thanks"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:39 Uhr
That's a good question. First - Stars Rewards is a significant departure from the previous VIP Club program and it's very difficult to compare the two as it's apples and oranges.
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In general terms if you are a long-term winning player you will be receiving less rewards than previously. Other players will be receiving a similar level of rewards, or more, with Stars Rewards.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:46 Uhr
Since we're changing things quite drastically for the winning players, maybe you can help explain where we received our positive feedback? "I would really like to know where the positive feedback has been found regarding Stars Rewards. Since I havent heard a single positive word from people I rate highly that have gotten their rakeback slashed from 27-35% to 4-5%" This question was asked both by @BarreMolenaar "LordBarre II" and @TilTinDuCeR
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:49 Uhr
I had a feeling this one was coming :). A lot of what is posted about the program on forums and in the press originates mostly from winning players, who understandably are upset that they are receiving fewer rewards than previously. The program is designed to appeal more to recreational players. The level of engagement we have seen with the program so far in Denmark and Italy has exceeded our expectations. We have been reaching out since those launches to speak to recreational players about their experiences with Stars Rewards and the majority prefer the new program than the previous one.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:51 Uhr
Speaking of the launches in Italy and Denmark, we received this question about how the launches there seemed "sketchy at best"...
"Why did you switch from a transparent system to a non-transparent, “individual” one? I personally believe that the poker industry especially needs to be as transparent as possible. The way this has been rolled out in Italy and Denmark so far seems sketchy at best."
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:54 Uhr
I agree that the poker industry needs to be as transparent as possible. However, while Stars Rewards is "individual" as he says, the probabilities and prize values for each Chest are published on our website and you can see how many points you need to unlock a Chest by clicking on your progress bar or visiting the 'My Stars' portal. In addition to the 'normal' Chest values on our webpage, there will be additional top prizes on a regular basis such as the $1,000 Chests we are currently awarding for launch.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 18:56 Uhr
A recent question from @Croakspkr which ties in well with transparency... "why cant i review how many chests i've opened yet and what i got from them?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 18:58 Uhr
You can contact Support at any time to receive a full audit of your Chests and everything that was in them. However, I agree that it would be beneficial if you could review them in-client, so I will add this to the list of future developments we'd like to add. Thanks for the feedback/suggestion @Croakspkr
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:01 Uhr
And this one has come in from @Artello referencing a previous question...
""As an example, there are former Supernova VIPs who are now receiving more with Stars Rewards than they did in our previous program." It doesn't sound logical at all with rewards we have, unless some regs hit 1k from chests (which is luck, not a statistic)."
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:03 Uhr
Just to clarify, long-term winning Supernova VIPs will be receiving much less. However, there are net-depositing former Supernovas who are receiving a similar level of rewards, and in some cases more. That isn't assuming they get lucky or win a $1K Chest.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:05 Uhr
In terms of the rewards in general, there has been a lot of feedback regarding how different the size and frequency of the rewards are compared to what people are used to. That feedback has been accurately summed up by @IFlipBurgers in this question:
"Do you believe that rewarding people with extremely small rewards (compared to the buyin of the games they play) at a high frequency gives them satisfaction and make them feel like a valued customer? So far, I've only heard feedback of people feeling insulted by these rewards and would go as far as to argue that they have a negative net effect on their playing experience, even compared to not receiving anything at all."
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Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:09 Uhr
Unlike the previous program, Stars Rewards aims to reward players multiple times within a single session. Most of our players can only play a few times a month and we feel that offering them multiple opportunities to win something significant does, in fact, make them feel valued. Of course, there's no "one-size fits all" and some players would rather receive fewer Chests but that held a higher value, so there is a balance to be maintained. Like any other new product, we will be reviewing feedback from all our players and looking at the numbers to determine if we've found the right balance between frequency and value.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:11 Uhr
That leads perfectly into "Are rewards completely finalised or are they very much experimental and subject to change?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:13 Uhr
The rewards could change over time, yes, especially in regards to our top prizes. Currently we're awarding $1K Chests as the top prize, but, for example, when WCOOP comes around later this year Stars Rewards can award WCOOP tickets in Chests. In the future, these top prizes will change and can range from cash prizes, tickets, and exclusive physical items.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:15 Uhr
Okay! :smiley: Thank you very much for digging into some of the nitty gritty about EV and reward amounts with me, now I'm going to address some of the questions we've received about how everything functions
We received this question "hey, im fairly sure i was on like 80% towards 2k vpp and didnt receive anything for it. isnt it supposed to convert? is this a problem more people ran into or just me" from @don artie , perhaps you could clarify?
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:17 Uhr
Good question, and that shouldn't be the case. Players received the full prorated StarsCoin value for their in-progress VIP Step when Stars Rewards launched. You can verify having received this credit by going to your StarsCoin audit in Tools -> History & Stats of the desktop client.
You can also just shoot our Support an email and they can check on your behalf and makes sure that you received everything you should have.
Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:20 Uhr
Thank you for clearing that up :smiley: Now, in terms of the exact functionality, @Scoobydubious asked:
"When you open your chests, what are the coins for that go to the right side of the chest? I think theymight be purple if I recall correctly."(bearbeitet)
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:22 Uhr
Purple?!! They are green, and those are reward points :smiley: You get reward points everytime you open a Chest, so that your progress towards your next one gets kick-started.
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In poker you earn 100 reward points for every $1 in rake/tournament fees paid with the exception of high-stakes cash games.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:23 Uhr
On that note, from @Caribou "What is the least amount of points necessary to clear a red chest? How many points, on average, will net depositors need to clear a red chest?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:28 Uhr
That's a good one. Reward point requriements can vary over time, but for example, some higher-volume recreational players need to earn 8,000 reward points to unlock our biggest Platinum Chest. They will also receive on average 800 points every time they open it. Some of these also receive a boost of 4,000 points every 8 hours from their last one. Effectively, they need to earn 3,200 reward points to earn their first Platinum Chest each day (which is worth about $23.50 on average).
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:33 Uhr
So in terms of this being more weighted for net-depositing recreational players @SetMiningWithKings asked "So that I can make a decision whether this is a better thing for players, or for Pokerstars - Has your average revenue per player gone up or down when you account for the new programme being in place?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:35 Uhr
We certainly hope to increase engagement in our playerbase which ultimately should increase revenues, but it's much too early to say what the impact of Stars Rewards is given we only just launched in most areas this week!
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:38 Uhr
In that case, asked by @TilTinDuCeR "Question: Do you think you as a company understand the gaming industry enough to try to emulate it and accurately project the success of such endeavour?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:42 Uhr
There has been a massive amount of effort and research across the company in preparing for Stars Rewards based on years of data and experience in the industry. We're confident that this is a step in the right direction, and early indications in Denmark and Italy support this as well.
So I guess in short, yes. But we are of course also listening to our players on all our channels (here, other forums, social media, customer support, 1-1 discussions, etc.)
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:46 Uhr
Speaking of feedback from the players, we're seeing a lot of people asking for a more specific breakdown of what they need to do to earn their chests. "is there anywhere we can check the least and the most points requiered for a certain chest?" from @monroymx
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:48 Uhr
Each individual can always click on the progress bar to see how many reward points they need to unlock a Chest. However, because these targets can vary over time based on recent activity, they aren't being published.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:50 Uhr
Ok, good to know that it's easy for people to see what they need to do then :smiley: Let's burn through another couple of quick ones and then wrap this thing up so I don't leep you all night.
"Will players be able to weed out the rewards that they will never use?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:53 Uhr
If I remember correctly that question was referencing not wanting to recievemore than one freeroll ticket in a day. This is a great suggestion and something that we are actively looking to add to Stars Rewards functionality. Ideally once you receive, for example, a freeroll ticket for a weekly freeroll, you shouldn't receive the same ticket until the following week (and that prize would be replaced by something that isn't redundant). It's on our list of future developments that we'd like to add, and I hope we can add it in the coming months.
Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:55 Uhr
So, to quickly summarise a question that is being asked a lot, are there any plans to decrease rake? Spin and Go's and PLO seem to be mentioned a lot here
"With such reduction in rewards to SN Winning players, is there a chance that (for example) Spin and go rake might be decreased a bit to compensate, because as of it is today, average 60$ limit player regular was earning around 44% of his overall profits from rakebacks, because there are a lot of regulars in the pool, only a handful of crushers get better results (in chipEV) than that to stay comfortable withouth rakeback"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 19:57 Uhr
That's a popular question. We are constantly evaluating pricing and the economy of each game. However, at this time there are no plans to decrease rake.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 19:57 Uhr
That being the case... "Wouldn’t they be making more money if they brought back the old vip system which incentivized volume players coming back = more rake being paid?"
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 20:02 Uhr
This is a good question as there are quite a lot of misconceptions out there on this topic. There is a very high overlap between "volume players" and "winning players". This is pretty intuitive given poker is a skill game and you improve the more you play. The poker economy is fuelled by deposits, which for the most part originate from low to medium-volume players. This is one of the main reason that the level of rewards players receive through Stars Rewards is not solely based on volume, so that we can allocate rewards to the players who contribute the most to the poker economy (and of course, our company).
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 20:05 Uhr
Thank you for explaining that :smiley:
Ok, I hope that this session has helped to clear things up for a few people, @Dylan | Ravageur thank you very much for taking the time out of your day to do this with us. I know that we haven't managed to address everything which we've been asked, but Dylan will be around throughout the coming week to hop in here and answer more FAQ as they arise.
If there are an absolute tonne of questions, we will schedule a second AMA for some time next week :smiley:
Dylan | Ravageur - letzten Freitag um 20:08 Uhr
Sure - thanks for having me Pete and I appreciate all the questions and feedback from the players. I know that not everyone will love the answers, but I'll continue to chime in here next weeek to try and answer questions as they come up.
Sure - I'd be down to do this again. Cheers.
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Pete Simm | Ice3lade - letzten Freitag um 20:09 Uhr
Awesome, thank you again for joining us!
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Dylan | Ravageur - heute um 13:00 Uhr
Is there any way to track when your chest is going to be upgraded to the next tier one?
@Dauriel - Yes - if you complete 4 progress bars in a day you get upgraded. Once you've completed 3 in a day, your progress as displayed on the bar turns from green --> blue indicating that you're one progress bar away. If you click on the progress bar in this state you'll see how much time you have to complete the bar in order to be upgraded. The calendar day is based on ET time-zone. If you don't complete it in the amount of time remaining, there's no penalty and no progress is lost; you'd just have to complete 4 within another calendar day in order to be upgraded.(bearbeitet)
Question : in belgium Pokerstars currently only has a license to offer poker while possibilities do exist to get sports betting and/or general gambling license (like bwin and unibet have). Since the new star rewards program is based on all pilars, are you looking into the possibility to get the extra licenses to be able to offer the "full package" in belgium?
@DJSirMatthew - I don't have any new information regarding the addition of Sports/Casino to our Belgium license, but if they were added we would certainly look to immediately rollout Stars Rewards to those platforms, as one of the goals of Stars Rewards has been to reward play for all your activities.(bearbeitet)
will there be a more detailed overview what you can win in a chest in the future?
@Sirilidion/ Dazz - The probabilities for each Chest-type are published in the Stars Rewards FAQ here: www.pokerstars.com/stars-rewards/faq
What those values equate to (i.e. Tournament Money, Spin & Go Tickets, StarsCoin, etc.) depend on your game affinity. The rewards are designed to mirror the games you have been playing, so you should receive something that is relevant to your interests. There's also the current top prize which are $1,000 Chests that can be won.(bearbeitet)
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Does the rewards system "winning / depositing" player only factor in poker, or does it take all gambling activities into account? I.E. if I'm a somewhat winning poker player on the smallest micro tables, but a gigantic loser on the nosebleed slots, will i still be a "winning" player?
@butchsd - Stars Rewards looks at a player across all activities (poker, casino, and sports).(bearbeitet)
Are you planning to revamp the rewards store to bring it in line with the new star rewards? F.e. when a recreational player opens a chest and gets 20 starcoins, he/she might want to know what they can get for that. Now, they need to click on every category on the left panel menu of the rewards store. Wouldn't it be interesting to have an "all" category and maybe a "sales" category (for reduced priced items)?
@DJSirMatthew - We are looking to make improvements to the Rewards Store and I agree it's in need of a facelift. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll add it to the list of enhancements we're considering.(bearbeitet)
Do you believe that the poor communication regarding the specifics of the new rewards system, including hard to find/non-existent exact rollout date/people losing progress from their old vpp bar/lack of transparency regarding the specifics of the chests/misleading comments such as "better rewards for recreational players" is in line with your company ideals, as well as ethical standards for the industry leader in an often seen/portrayed as shady industry?
@IFlipBurgers - It's been one of our goals to keep players informed as we make this transition, so I'm sorry to hear that you feel that the communication was poor. We went to great lengths to communicate to the players who would be the most affected first and have regularly updated players throughout the period with customer emails, through our corporate blog, and in our monthly Supernova newsletter.
Dylan | Ravageur - heute um 14:09 Uhr
A concrete question, because I am not convinced that any players, even net depositor recreational players, will benefit from this system change. What is the least amount of points necessary to clear a red chest? How many points, on average, will net depositors need to clear a red chest?
@Caribou - as mentioned in the AMA, this isn't an apples to apples change so it's a bit more complex comparing the old program, which was a volume-driven rakeback program, which Stars Rewards is not. But yes, some players are receiving more.
Specific to your question regarding the red Chest, the lowest requirement for it is 150 reward points with a boost that ranges from 45 to 75 points, plus they get reward points everytime they open a Chest. Players in this category were previously BronzeStar VIPs in the old program earning 8-9%. They are receiving more now, on average, with Stars Rewards.
To illustrate this in a concrete example, in the old program if you raked $1 in a day as a BronzeStar, you received 8c or 9c back. With Stars Rewards this player, with a 150 point progress bar requirement and 75 point boost, will earn 175 reward points in a day which means he'll unlock a red Chest worth $0.14 on average (not including the EV of winning the top $1,000 prize), have 25 points towards his next Chest, and will have received additional reward points when he opened his red Chest.
Hope this answers your question.
So meine 2. rote Kiste geöffnet! 42 SC drin! Hab für die Kiste gerade mal 1,40 $ Rake generieren müssen, also über 25% Rakeback! So kann es weitergehen!
ich versteh das ganze so: je mehr man spielt bzw. je mehr rake man produziert umso teurer werden die dreckskisten
wenn man das auf milcheinkäufe im z.b. edeka ummünzt würde ich weil ich in der woche 10 liter milch kaufe mehr für den liter milch zahlen müssen als jemand der nur 1 liter in der woche käuft ... fühle mich verarscht
Mal eine andere Frage. Würde es jetzt sogar wieder mehr Sinn machen, auf Zoom zu verzichten und wieder an die Regulartische zu gehen? Evtl. zahlt sich das Tableselection wieder besser aus. Klar habe ich auf Zoom auch Freizeitspieler und die werde ich wohl auch genau so oft am Tisch haben wie jeder andere aber bei einer Selection könnte ich das besser kontrollieren. Ich habe das jetzt nicht fertig gedacht. Es kann natürlich sein, dass ich komplett daneben liege.
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48k Kiste -> 5$ Cash + 500 Starscoins
Gratz zu den 2% Rakeback!:f_drink:
