2 Pair vs Turn Raise. Difficult spot.

Fold preflop, KJo is absolutely terrible vs UTG open range. As played, call flop, bet/shove turn and gg.

I think KJo should be folded pre vs UTG open.

OTT his raise looks more like a bluff imo. Hands like he had here should continue barreling and not give free cards. You hit top 2 pair on a drawy board so I guess stack off is not bad.

3bet or fold pre, so often fold pre.
Impossible to get away turn, that's poker.

Pre is a fold due to worst possible position.

Turn: I know folding is hard, but don't just blindly shove in that last piece of stack. It is 35 + 46 = 81 bb, so it is worth more consideration than your typical preflop decision. You need to put your opponent on a range, and see how you do against that range. That's your job, but it is clear that you lose big time to his value range, the main problem being that you split with KJ. You are at the bottom of your range here, and stacking off with all KJ combos is probably incorrect. So, yes, you can get away.

Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

He is almost never bluffing on this board.

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

He is almost never bluffing on this board.

Yes he would, but not with this line.

It's a very tough laydown since your hand improves, but relative to his value range it really doesn't.

Oh and as previous noted, this is a fold preflop without reads.

Thanks for the input.
Now that i look to it more clearly the only hands that are on his range on this type of play are 88, JJ, KK and AK and based on his stats i don't think he would play AK like that. So, yes, i could get away from it.
Thanks again, really appreciate it.

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

He is almost never bluffing on this board.

Must be great to know such things. I don'tX(

Originally posted by YohanN7
Must be great to know such things. I don'tX(

You should work more on your game then !
You clearly have a lot to make up for, you noob

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

He is almost never bluffing on this board.

Must be great to know such things. I don'tX(

LOL

He can't represent much with this turn card. With AK he should bet the turn. KJ is likely out of his range. And Hero has a blocker for KK. And on this board he has not nearly enough FE for his bluff to work if he has air.
Even if we can add some bluffs to his range we will not win often enough.

I put the guy mostly on bluffs so maybe I have to work even harder

Originally posted by la55i
I put the guy mostly on bluffs so maybe I have to work even harder

Don't even try, no point at your state

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

He is almost never bluffing on this board.

Must be great to know such things. I don'tX(

LOL

He can't represent much with this turn card. With AK he should bet the turn. KJ is likely out of his range. And Hero has a blocker for KK. And on this board he has not nearly enough FE for his bluff to work if he has air.
Even if we can add some bluffs to his range we will not win often enough.

Note that I have advocated a fold all the way. I'm just objecting to the "read" that people "never bluff here". The good ones do, provided they think you are decent but not good (i.e. they think you think "they never bluff on this board").

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

He is almost never bluffing on this board.

Must be great to know such things. I don'tX(

LOL

He can't represent much with this turn card. With AK he should bet the turn. KJ is likely out of his range. And Hero has a blocker for KK. And on this board he has not nearly enough FE for his bluff to work if he has air.
Even if we can add some bluffs to his range we will not win often enough.

Note that I have advocated a fold all the way. I'm just objecting to the "read" that people "never bluff here". The good ones do, provided they think you are decent but not good (i.e. they think you think "they never bluff on this board").

Are you serious? That's 5NL.

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by semiramiRNMD
Fold pre, fold turn. He looks like a decent player, so his UTG range is mostly PP and AJ+ ATs+ KQ and I can't find a hand that you beat and that he plays like that.

Bluffs?
With honest opponents life is easy.

He is almost never bluffing on this board.

Must be great to know such things. I don'tX(

LOL

He can't represent much with this turn card. With AK he should bet the turn. KJ is likely out of his range. And Hero has a blocker for KK. And on this board he has not nearly enough FE for his bluff to work if he has air.
Even if we can add some bluffs to his range we will not win often enough.

Note that I have advocated a fold all the way. I'm just objecting to the "read" that people "never bluff here". The good ones do, provided they think you are decent but not good (i.e. they think you think "they never bluff on this board").

Are you serious? That's 5NL.

Serious about what?
When I wrote the above reply I was indeed confused and mixed this hand up with something else. What I have advocated is "sometimes call, sometimes fold" on turn. The post is still there. But if you know what they hold, act according to that. (And know that hole-card cameras is cheating.)

Guys, I dont think its easily stack off in this spot, because we dont goes well against his value range. Look at his line, I saw playing sets like this very often. And any reasonable bluffs here are combo draws like AQs/ATs/T9s which all of this have a lot of equity.
I estimate his range as KK,JJ,88,44,AhQh,AsQs,AhTh,AsTs,QhTh,QsTs,Th9h,Ts9s.
Against this range, we have just 40% equity = ) shove on turn is spew. We need to put in his range some unreasonable spews to make this move +EV. And we are still not sure he plays all this draws this way.

This is getting interesting.

I believe checking sets OTT might be not so good. So I believe villain would often continue betting with those.

If we face that range mentioned above and have 40% equity we are close to breaking even with our shove. Villain needs to fold about 5% for our shove to be +EV.