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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
UTG: $5.07 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 18, 3B: 10, AF: 5.0, Hands: 159
Hero (BB): $5.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 2.3, Hands: 79026

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with A :spade: Q :club:
UTG raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 6 :diamond: K :spade: 6 :spade: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, SB folds

Turn: ($0.85) 2 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, UTG raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.05) 2 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.12, Hero calls $3.05 all in

Spoiler

Final Pot: $10.15
UTG shows 6 :club: 6 :heart:
Hero shows A :spade: Q :club:
UTG wins $9.73
(Rake: $0.42)

I rulled out KQ and AK of his hand range because he would not raise turn with and definetely not shove river.
So what he has on river is busted flush draw or KK or 66.

Now that i posted i put him on AA too, also on 76, 65, so more combos. Then i only thought he has quads or nothing.
Now it looks very bad play. Ops


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livethelife7
Joined: 10.02.2009

pre is fine could also argue for a squeeze.

Flop is ok with bdfd & bdsd but i'm also fine by ch/f mw here.
Turn bet is ok i think. Do you ever think he bluffraises you here on the turn?

That said have you ever seen a reg raise turn shoves river wtih a bluff on NL5?
Even if he is repping not much, on the micro's this is a spot where you better of folding. So I think it's a little bit FPS and way to marginal to bluffcatch here with Ahigh. Even with a K it would be close.


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excitedpoker
Joined: 12.08.2010

Pre is not fine, no idea how you plan to play AQo 3way vs a range that dominates you. You have to squeeze or fold. The cbet is a bad idea with a bad sizing, no idea why you would rule out KQ, AK, and KK+, you can`t really have much flatting 3way preflop and 66 is only one combo so him playing AK like that is pretty standart. Looks like button clicking to me + you don`t really rep anything through the whole hand


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ruastinraata
Joined: 25.01.2015

I am playing similar stakes than you and don't want to pretend to be any kind of an expert. My thoughts about the hand might also be biased by the peek to the results, but anyway...

I don't really understand any of your plays you took postflop. On the flop, you lead weakly with just one over when the initiator is still left to act. In my opinion, this could be a somewhat decent attempt to take cheaply the pot down, but I am not sure whether it really is. You'll get calls from any 66+ and any king (his range on UTG is probably just KQ, KK and AK, maybe KJ) and of course any spade draw, although you are blocking the nut flush.

If the bet on the flop might have been OK, I don't find any reason to bet the turn. To get value from flush draws? A deuce does not scare away any of his hands he would have been calling the flop with. After he raises, I would be inclined to put him on a flush draw or a full house (...or maybe not, there are not that many combos, just KK and he could slowplay it), but would still find calling VERY DIFFICULT (this might be just my lack of experience). Would he open 65s from UTG? I don't know. Would he raise the turn with KQ, AK or AA, don't know that either.

Now when I start to think of it, the check/call on the river might have been OK, because there are very few sixes and deuces on his range, probably just 66 and maybe 65s. Also, I don't think he would bet pocket pairs, at least anything else than AA. It's a gutsy call, but I would not have balls to do it.

I would probably have check/folded the flop. That having been said, some players' cbet range on this kind of boards is usually weighted towards bluffs, so it might be also a call or even a bluff raise, but being out of position and continuing with anything else than an A on the turn would be quite difficult.

I would be interest in to hear comments of more experienced players.

BR,
ruastinraata

EDIT: OK, there were some comments that have been submitted when I was writing this message.


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

Since both villains have a strong range, i tend towards calling more than squeezing.
But i agree, best is to squeeze.

Originally posted by livethelife7
Do you ever think he bluffraises you here on the turn?

That is what i thought.

Originally posted by excitedpoker
The cbet is a bad idea with a bad sizing

I actually think flop and turn bet is good. I think the sizing is good too.


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

Originally posted by ruastinraata
On the flop, you lead weakly with just one over when the initiator is still left to act. In my opinion, this could be a somewhat decent attempt to take cheaply the pot down, but I am not sure whether it really is. You'll get calls from any 66+ and any king (his range on UTG is probably just KQ, KK and AK, maybe KJ) and of course any spade draw, although you are blocking the nut flush.

I think that on such dry flops, there is no necessary to bet big because it has same effect.
Yes, 66+ will call so that is why i have to bet turn.


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

Another conclusion for this hand is that he might turn 77+ into bluffs like this, so i add this to his range, making the A high too weak to bluff catch.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

This is a perfect spot to squeeze. Our hand does not play well in a MW pot OOP. Plus you want to play vs the SB IP.
Postflop game is totally messed up. If you can find reason for the donk on flop, I cannot find such for calling the turn raise.
River call is burning money. Better next time send me the money... :)

In most of your hands I see you have an issue with not getting exploited. There will be times when villains will try to do that, but there will be times when they will do that for value only with strong holdings. Better check you ranges and try to find the right combos with which to defend or bluff catch.


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2reac
Joined: 10.04.2014

He`s not turning any sdv into bluff. But if he do, he would probably xback otr


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livethelife7
Joined: 10.02.2009

Originally posted by bonecore
Since both villains have a strong range, i tend towards calling more than squeezing.
But i agree, best is to squeeze.

Originally posted by livethelife7
Do you ever think he bluffraises you here on the turn?

That is what i thought.

Originally posted by excitedpoker
The cbet is a bad idea with a bad sizing

I actually think flop and turn bet is good. I think the sizing is good too.

I don't mind the donk & follow up on the turn.

The problem here is, do you ever raise turn here when there is a mw donk and bet on turn against you? I think not. So even If you think he is doing this with some air (don't see have him lots of air here either) then it's still not really ok to defend with AQo here + you are also OOP.


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

Originally posted by livethelife7
not really ok to defend with AQo here + you are also OOP.

yep, deffinetely it was a bluder


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Just squeeze preflop. Why do you donk postflop? And that sizing. Awful play postflop all the way. You turn your hand into a bluff without representing anything on the flop. You even block A high flushdraw what he might be bluffing here. So that makes your bluff catching even worse. Just squeeze pre and if you don't then ck/f the flop.


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