(FR) A2s vs 2 short stacks

dont 3bet, dont call.

play hands that way, which have enough equity to call the (likely) jam in the first place.

Originally posted by Pokamon
dont 3bet, dont call.

play hands that way, which have enough equity to call the (likely) jam in the first place.

Sorry. I didn't get. What did you mean by that?

A2s is not good enough to squeeze and call off the jam.

so fold it.

play hands instead that have more equity.

Preflop, according to the stackes : fold > call > 3b

As played :
84/30= 2.8:1 = 26%

I put a range of 8% for MP1 and 25% for "bigfish" MP2 (but they should be even tighter) :

       Equity  Victoire  Égalité
MP2    24.89%    23.41%    1.48% { Ad2d }
MP3    44.46%    43.11%    1.35% { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }
CO     30.66%    29.20%    1.45% { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

Close with wide range so it should be fold

I agree, it's not a good spot against 2 fish.
Just fold.

I wont 3-b vs 2 shallow stacks likely fishes, because I will end up in this scenario very often. As played it's close. You need 23% and you have at least 20% even if both of them have very tight ranges like QQ+ AK, but sinse they are fishes they will have much wider ranges, I think you must call, but it's close. It's much better if you don't get involved at all.

Now I saw the result and yeah, vs pair and a better ace you are in a very bad shape, so fold is probaly a little bit better.

Two fish already in the pot co and bu why not enough to call? Great opportunity stack of one or two fish if flush come. If opener only 3BB open, i think call is always fine.
But 3bet, villain only open 15%, ok you hold A, but lot of chance especially when villain open 4BB, hold AK, AQ, or some pocker pair what never folded pre flop.

Because most of the time you will have to hit str or better to win. Wont happen very often. He is vs a pair and better Ace. This will be the scenario most of the time, so fold is better.

If original opener just open 3BB i think i call. If i fold pre flop A2s i fold too any small pairs 22-55 because most of time if we not hit a set folded small pair.

You'll hit a set much more often than str or flush with A2s. I don't like to flat A2s and vs shorties I don't like it even more. So I am folding this pre, because the other option 3-bet is even worse.

How may times if you pick up fd or sd with A2s? And set 1/8 comes but if we see what happen the sets comes. Of board low most of time we can not play huge pot, only if villain hold monster pair, JJ++. If have fd and sd sometimes we lost, fish never give up the draws. And sometimes i have lot of hands when i hit a set and of course have got bigger set someone. About 4 times when we hit a set and 1 we can win big pot. 1 time lost against flush or straight or bigger set. And we have nut flush most of time if villain hold lower flush we can play full stack.

3beted semi bluff never against fish! They are never fold pre flop

I think everything else is already said but I want to point out one thing

But this time, because MP+1 had been folding "a lot" for 3bets (4 out of 6)

Sample size of 6 is suuuuuper small.
Think about it this way: You just join the table. How likely it is that you just need to fold the first 6 hands you get. Or how likely it is that you get to play 4,5 or 6 of those hands. I think both scenarios are very likely, and because of that your VPIP will be very inaccurate after 6 hands.
The sample size of just 6 hands is just not enough