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[PLO25]8665s flop bottom set deep

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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

Party, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $66.63 (266.5 bb)
BB: $14.98 (59.9 bb)
MP: $27.95 (111.8 bb)
CO: $31.74 (127 bb)
Hero (BTN): $45.58 (182.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6♠: 6♥: 5♣: 8♥:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, SB calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.55) T♦: A♦: 6♣: (3 players)
SB bets $2.43, BB calls $2.43, Hero calls $2.43

Turn: ($9.84) 4♠: (3 players)
SB bets $9.35, BB raises to $11.70 and is all-in, Hero folds, SB calls $2.35

River: ($33.24) 5♠: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

I somehow dont like calling the flop to give it up on turn but at the sime time I dont like folding the flop so somehow I guess my play is right but I still doubt


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

yes I would have played same. WIthout BB gii decision would have been more marginal but still a fold would be ok I guess


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NatRPheM
Joined: 05.10.2008

Uhm if you're folding on THAT turn card that completes nothing at all, what are you ever calling with? TT/AA only? There are so many draws on this board it's unreal, not to mention AT is gonna be played like a set here since there are no straights yet or flushes and it will bet the same to protect against said draws. I find this turn fold without exact reads on opponents completely mind-boggling.

Not to mention you can pretty much rule out AAxx as you were not reraised pre and most people raise AAxx pre. The only hand that is likely to beat you on turn is TT while all draws like QKJ + flush draws + 2 pair hands are not folding at any point in this hand at 0.1/0.25. Unless I am up against ultra nits, AI on turn, if I am beat, I am beat, on to the next one. You even have a gutshot on the turn as well, mind boggling.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

SB is almost 200bb deep with hero, so he should have some AAxx in his range. But the pot donk on the flop is a strange one. Looks like hand that wants max protection, like AT. Could be AA/TT too, but to donk a set there is a bit weird line at PLO25. Especially with TT, unless it was notorious "info bet" to see if you have AA or not. :)

Turn is as blank as it can be, and it gives you the gutshot. Calling flop and folding turn doesn't make sense. Get it in and embrace deep PLO variance.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

ye my mistake, im too tight 3way... better gii ott:


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

if I plan to broke on this turn, why shouldn't I raise the flop?


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I cannot say much about flop-play because the spot is uncommon and Idk what range villain would have here. If he is a loose player I would prefer raising the flop (protection).


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

I had another look at this hand and I still hate the dep player potting here: not even because of pot but also because we are three way and SB is sandwiching BB which I consider really strong like he wants to get it in especially three way instead of checkraising the flop and isolate himself against me.

still hate to gamble it in at the turn as he is still potting but nevertheless, here are the results to get a clue what he is capable of. obv I had no reads up then:

Results:

Spoiler

$33.24 pot ($1.66 rake)
Final Board: T♦: A♦: 6♣: 4♠: 5♠:
SB showed 4♥: A♣: Q♣: T♠: and lost (-$14.98 net)
BB showed 8♠: 7♦: 9♦: 3♣: and won $31.58 ($16.60 net)
Hero mucked 6♠: 6♥: 5♣: 8♥: and lost (-$3.28 net)

so kyyberi was right and if he is going to fold to a flop raise that is why we dont want to raise flop but GII on turn instead. If I only had the same read as our coach :)


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

obviously he is reppin a strong hand ott. The lower 9-nutwrap he actually had I would say is at the bottom of his semi-bluffing range beside Nutflushdraws, Combodraws and the KQJ 13-nutwrap, if he is a reasonable player. Dont be misguided, his range should be still very strong. The thing is we have so much equity against those ranges with a set we still want to gii anyways, we dont need to be ahead ott due to odds. My hand-reading is already pretty ok but I often have no idea what range-vs-range equities are in play.


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