+++Q&A with Jared Tendler!!+++

Originally posted by TwiceT

Originally posted by pleno1
Another thing I have which I think is pretty huge and specific to me. Its hard to put it into words so I'll just tell the story. I was playing in a "deepstack" monthly tournament. Within the first 3 levels the average was 11,100 and I had 34,000. Half way through the next level I got really unlucky in two spots and I had 14,400. For me the tournament was over and instead of thinking "hey I'm above average" I just couldn't take my mind off thinking how many chips I had and that they should still be mine. I tilted off calling bets with any two cards and eventually bust before the end of the level. Whats the best way to keep myself composed in these spots? I literally think it could add an extra 7-8% on my roi.

99% of ppl have that problem. thats also why most dont succeed in areas where u constantly win and lose big parts of your "play" money. esp true for trading and poker.

read "fooled by randomness" by nicholas taleb. great book. my most favourite book btw. he also talks about your problem.

its like making 250k a year playing poker. u will be abover most poker plrs on the planet.
but if u had been up 500k and ran cold last 10k hands on nl10k hu, u feel like u lost. but in fact u won and still are way ahead of your competition.

i think awareness is a good starting point. being aware of the important facts and not being blinded by some swings or other plrs who made more or - in that specific case - by the fact that u had more chips before.

simply fooled by outcomes. its not about outcomes (and your chips on the table). its only about making right decisions over and over again. if u made the right decisions and lost the chiplead from 50k to 11k, so what. that was best u could do. u should be happy.

furthermore, u should be even twice as happy as u normally are when playing great. cuz u still have avg chip stack. and since u are at least semi-experienced plr, u know that trnys are won in the late stages. having chiplead early is nice, but just increases your chances of winning some % cuz blinds will go up a lot during the trny.
having a chiplead with 5 ppl left is a different story.

dont be fooled by randomness!

I just started reading this book - it's great!

What you're mentioning here is very logical, and accurate. For many players, though, they still make mistakes even though they understand this information. What I've found is that they have errors in their mental approach to the game that are not obvious. That doesn't mean overly complex, just not things that players typically think about. With these errors buried in their mind, it becomes impossible to truly resolve the problem, so they can continue to play great.

If a player doesn't know what you've just said, then understanding variance/randomness is the way to start for sure. For other players who do, they have to figure out specifically what throw's them off mentally - like predicting the future, overconfidence, or fear of failure.

Haven't got any questions for this thread as of yet, but just to say what a great thread, and kudos to PS for making this happen (and to Jared/Barry obviously)

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by pleno1
The second most famous Barry from Sheffield ITT!!

Seriously - fantastic answers guys, can't wait to get my hands on the book.

The problem I have is when I know I'm going to have a losing session (tournaments) I find it insanely hard to concentrate. For example I have a 30 tournament schedule with lots of $200/$300's in, I usually go to the gym/swim beforehand and get in a really good mind frame, eventually I will be1 or 2 tabling a $26 at the end. I really find it hard to get the motivation to finish the session with the same mindset I started it with.

Another thing I have which I think is pretty huge and specific to me. Its hard to put it into words so I'll just tell the story. I was playing in a "deepstack" monthly tournament. Within the first 3 levels the average was 11,100 and I had 34,000. Half way through the next level I got really unlucky in two spots and I had 14,400. For me the tournament was over and instead of thinking "hey I'm above average" I just couldn't take my mind off thinking how many chips I had and that they should still be mine. I tilted off calling bets with any two cards and eventually bust before the end of the level. Whats the best way to keep myself composed in these spots? I literally think it could add an extra 7-8% on my roi.

Seriously, you're a Sheffield Barry?!

To your first problem - it sounds like your mindset gets off track because you end of focusing much more on results, than on the quality of your play. While financially, the end of a losing session, playing a tourny for a tiny amount, seems like a waste - as far as your learning goes - it's a tremendous opportunity. Why? Because its hard for you to focus and play the way you know you should. When that's hard, it means, that playing correctly at that time helps you train skills to the deepest level - Unconscious Competence (this is where you know something so well you never have to think about it, you just do it automatically). In order to reach that level, you must be able to avoid common mistakes. If you make a mistakes - it proves that you haven't yet mastered what is the correct way to play that particular spot. Instead, if you play correctly, even when the money is meaningless, you'll master these basics, and that allows you to move on to learning something new...because you can only focus on so much at one time.

To your second problem - it sounds like you get ahead of yourself, perhaps subtly feeling like you're in command of the tournament, maybe even that you might win, rather than staying committed to your strategy. Do you get nervous at that time?

Since I know that you tend to focus too much on results, I believe that's part of what happens here. Then as you start to lose, do you get a case of the "fuck its' - where you don't really care anymore because winning seems hopeless?

Post a few more details about what goes through your mind both when your accumulating a big stack, and on your way down. Then, I'll be able to figure out specifically what the cause is of your mindset getting thrown off track.

Yeah I start getting frustrated, thinking everybody is terrible at the table. When I call my hand is kind of pulling my chips back but my strong mentality forces them over the line. I think about seeing my girlfriend, getting a beer, basically anything apart from the one thing I'm there for, the tournament.

Straight after I walk about and I'm a cross between "meh" and "did I really just do that".

It is seriously very hard for me to just think "Hey Patrick, I know I'm the best player in this tournament, lets just stick to the strategy and keep making correct decisions and increasing my $ev" I know this is what I SHOULD be thinking but find it really hard to get into this mental state. I think I player poker best when I am really commanding a tournament/cash game and I'm chip leader/really deep. I guess this is the same for everybody though, but going from this phase where I think I am going to win the tournament to being still above average and knowing I'm going to be in the next 5 eliminations is really hard for me.

Thanks I am enjoying your book.

Is that a typo on page 29 in the flow chart? PREFORM = PERFORM ?

Hey Jared!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I notice from your answers that there is an extensive use of re-framing techniques with which you are able to change the ways and perspectives people face their problems in poker. They tell you their story, you understand it and manage to show them a different perspective... maybe you show them that what they understand as a problem is actually a "disguised" skill they have that, if properly applied, will become a benefit.

I also noticed you emphasize that some problems are deeply rooted in one's mind so that they cannot bring about a solution until they have a good look at those problems. When they actually understand the root of their problems (either by their own conclusions or under your guidance) some sort of re-framing process very similar to that used in NLP starts.

Is this the procedure? If that's so... would you recommend the study of NLP to a player who is willing to solve his mindset problems? (I actually had some good introduction to this subject in the past and now I read your post I realized that maybe I should get serious in this thing now).

Originally posted by pleno1

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by pleno1
The second most famous Barry from Sheffield ITT!!

Seriously - fantastic answers guys, can't wait to get my hands on the book.

The problem I have is when I know I'm going to have a losing session (tournaments) I find it insanely hard to concentrate. For example I have a 30 tournament schedule with lots of $200/$300's in, I usually go to the gym/swim beforehand and get in a really good mind frame, eventually I will be1 or 2 tabling a $26 at the end. I really find it hard to get the motivation to finish the session with the same mindset I started it with.

Another thing I have which I think is pretty huge and specific to me. Its hard to put it into words so I'll just tell the story. I was playing in a "deepstack" monthly tournament. Within the first 3 levels the average was 11,100 and I had 34,000. Half way through the next level I got really unlucky in two spots and I had 14,400. For me the tournament was over and instead of thinking "hey I'm above average" I just couldn't take my mind off thinking how many chips I had and that they should still be mine. I tilted off calling bets with any two cards and eventually bust before the end of the level. Whats the best way to keep myself composed in these spots? I literally think it could add an extra 7-8% on my roi.

Seriously, you're a Sheffield Barry?!

To your first problem - it sounds like your mindset gets off track because you end of focusing much more on results, than on the quality of your play. While financially, the end of a losing session, playing a tourny for a tiny amount, seems like a waste - as far as your learning goes - it's a tremendous opportunity. Why? Because its hard for you to focus and play the way you know you should. When that's hard, it means, that playing correctly at that time helps you train skills to the deepest level - Unconscious Competence (this is where you know something so well you never have to think about it, you just do it automatically). In order to reach that level, you must be able to avoid common mistakes. If you make a mistakes - it proves that you haven't yet mastered what is the correct way to play that particular spot. Instead, if you play correctly, even when the money is meaningless, you'll master these basics, and that allows you to move on to learning something new...because you can only focus on so much at one time.

To your second problem - it sounds like you get ahead of yourself, perhaps subtly feeling like you're in command of the tournament, maybe even that you might win, rather than staying committed to your strategy. Do you get nervous at that time?

Since I know that you tend to focus too much on results, I believe that's part of what happens here. Then as you start to lose, do you get a case of the "fuck its' - where you don't really care anymore because winning seems hopeless?

Post a few more details about what goes through your mind both when your accumulating a big stack, and on your way down. Then, I'll be able to figure out specifically what the cause is of your mindset getting thrown off track.

Yeah I start getting frustrated, thinking everybody is terrible at the table. When I call my hand is kind of pulling my chips back but my strong mentality forces them over the line. I think about seeing my girlfriend, getting a beer, basically anything apart from the one thing I'm there for, the tournament.

Straight after I walk about and I'm a cross between "meh" and "did I really just do that".

I think I'm understanding more now. Couple questions: Why is a losing session so frustrating? I realize you're not there to lose, but you know about variance, so I'm wondering specifically for you what makes losing so hard. Also, why are you playing the $26 games at the end?

Originally posted by pleno1
It is seriously very hard for me to just think "Hey Patrick, I know I'm the best player in this tournament, lets just stick to the strategy and keep making correct decisions and increasing my $ev" I know this is what I SHOULD be thinking but find it really hard to get into this mental state. I think I player poker best when I am really commanding a tournament/cash game and I'm chip leader/really deep. I guess this is the same for everybody though, but going from this phase where I think I am going to win the tournament to being still above average and knowing I'm going to be in the next 5 eliminations is really hard for me.

The mental game, and a proper mindset is a skill. Skills need to develop. Some come more naturally than others, and it sounds like you're much stronger at leading than you are at coming from behind. It's actually not the same for everyone. There are plenty of players who handle it in the opposite way - they're worse with a lead (get nervous, for example) and play their best when things are going against them.

If you want to improve this area, then each time your down, you have to fight against your natural tendency and put extra focus on correct decisions and ev. It won't come natural right away, but like any skill the more you do it, the easier it gets.

Originally posted by w34z3l
Thanks I am enjoying your book.

Is that a typo on page 29 in the flow chart? PREFORM = PERFORM ?

Yes, someone spotted it a few weeks ago. 100's of hour editing and a couple slipped through the cracks. It should be Perform.

Great to hear you're enjoying the book!

Originally posted by blackops888
Hey Jared!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I notice from your answers that there is an extensive use of re-framing techniques with which you are able to change the ways and perspectives people face their problems in poker. They tell you their story, you understand it and manage to show them a different perspective... maybe you show them that what they understand as a problem is actually a "disguised" skill they have that, if properly applied, will become a benefit.

I also noticed you emphasize that some problems are deeply rooted in one's mind so that they cannot bring about a solution until they have a good look at those problems. When they actually understand the root of their problems (either by their own conclusions or under your guidance) some sort of re-framing process very similar to that used in NLP starts.

Is this the procedure? If that's so... would you recommend the study of NLP to a player who is willing to solve his mindset problems? (I actually had some good introduction to this subject in the past and now I read your post I realized that maybe I should get serious in this thing now).

Hi!

Great questions. I actually don't recommend NLP as a long-term solution, because I've found the methods to not be robust enough to solve the real underlying issues. It seems to ease symptoms by suppressing emotion, rather than resolve the underlying reason for what's creating the emotion.

Emotions like, anger, anxiety, apathy, laziness, depression, overconfidence, etc, are often viewed as the problem. When viewed as the problem the solution is to get rid of them, even if that includes forcing them out of a person's mind by using triggers, priming, or reframing. These negative emotions are not the problem, they are a symptom of faulty logic. For example, believing that it's possible to win every session.

NLP, in my experience, tries to correct that faulty logic, but without understanding how it develops. So, corrections to that faulty logic, such as, "It's not possible to win every session, poker's a long-term game." or "I can't win every session, I can only try to play as well as I can." would be two types of statements that would be trained to correct the flaw.

The problem is that it doesn't understand how a person would develop the belief that they could win every session. That's the deeper flaw, that if not corrected, means that the anger created whenever a person has a losing session will never be properly resolved. Consequently, they need to always be on guard for signs of tilt so they can get themselves thinking correctly. It takes a lot of focus and energy, which ultimately means you have less to actually focus on the action and make solid decisions.

The underlying flaw common to the belief that it's possible to win every session, is that a player 'wishes' they could win every session. This wish, is often not obvious or logical, but is found once direct questions are asked. The important next question is why do they wish they could win every session. It's a confidence issue. They measure success/confidence by results alone. Without results, they feel like they've failed. Logically they know this is not true, but deep down they wish they could win every session because they would then always feel successful and avoid the pain associated with losing.

Which means the problem is:

*Losing is painful.
*Confidence/success is measured by results alone.
*Wishing they could win, undermines efforts to improve bc they're subtly holding out hope that one day this wish will come true.

Which mean the solution is:

*Make losing less painful after finding out why it is.
*Confidence/success is measured by what a play controls - their play, their skill, how they improve/work, etc.
*Prove why like all wishes, you actually wouldn't want it to become true.

The main reason for showing this example, is that like nearly all mental game problems I've come across, the causes are not obvious, straightforward or a simple as people like. What I've done with the book, and my work in general is to make them as simple as possible, but the bottom line is that these are complex problems, and complex problems require many angles to the solution. NLP in my experience, oversimplifies things.

I hope I haven't gotten you cross eyed, does it make sense? If not, post some specifics about issues you'd like help with and I'll work with you on it.

Hi!

Do you advice any particular pre-game routines for most players?

Do you think meditation is helpful for most people's poker mindset?

This might be a weird question, but do you have any helpful tips for maintaining concentration for people who need to play few tables, but easily get bored by it?

Thanks

Originally posted by JaredTendler

The problem is that it doesn't understand how a person would develop the belief that they could win every session. That's the deeper flaw, that if not corrected, means that the anger created whenever a person has a losing session will never be properly resolved. Consequently, they need to always be on guard for signs of tilt so they can get themselves thinking correctly. It takes a lot of focus and energy, which ultimately means you have less to actually focus on the action and make solid decisions.

The underlying flaw common to the belief that it's possible to win every session, is that a player 'wishes' they could win every session. This wish, is often not obvious or logical, but is found once direct questions are asked. The important next question is why do they wish they could win every session. It's a confidence issue. They measure success/confidence by results alone. Without results, they feel like they've failed. Logically they know this is not true, but deep down they wish they could win every session because they would then always feel successful and avoid the pain associated with losing.

Which means the problem is:

*Losing is painful.
*Confidence/success is measured by results alone.
*Wishing they could win, undermines efforts to improve bc they're subtly holding out hope that one day this wish will come true.

Which mean the solution is:

*Make losing less painful after finding out why it is.
*Confidence/success is measured by what a play controls - their play, their skill, how they improve/work, etc.
*Prove why like all wishes, you actually wouldn't want it to become true.

The main reason for showing this example, is that like nearly all mental game problems I've come across, the causes are not obvious, straightforward or a simple as people like. What I've done with the book, and my work in general is to make them as simple as possible, but the bottom line is that these are complex problems, and complex problems require many angles to the solution. NLP in my experience, oversimplifies things.

I hope I haven't gotten you cross eyed, does it make sense? If not, post some specifics about issues you'd like help with and I'll work with you on it.

Man! Your explanation was awesome... now I have a lot to say!

I get what you mean about the NLP thing, and I think you are right. Most authors will actually try to "attack" emotions with the intention of solving the problem, but they do not consider that they are just effects. Therefore, their techniques serve for the purpose of suppression... but what we need here is a way of looking at the root of the problem, instead of dealing with effects that are disguised as causes, but are not causes at all. I'll dwell on that for some time. Thanks for the insight!

Now... I know you just meant to give an example and I did not give you any clue about that, but the part of your text I quoted above is EXACTLY what used to happen to me. It was a fortunate coincidence.

I used to play poker like that and a lot of suffering was generated out of that mindset. I was the most results-oriented person I've even known. The thing started to change when I realized that the results-oriented thing was not created by poker at all... it was simply a matter of feeling the majority of its effects on poker, and also the fact that the "poker effects" are easily quantifiable (i.e. loss of money).

I was results-oriented in all areas of life... in all sorts of relationships, even in games between friends that involved no money at all, even when playing single against a computer... competition was always there. The only way of getting satisfaction was being the winner. And the most weird thing is that the "target" (or the result I expected to reach) was NEVER in reach. It was always an abstraction that got further and further it didn't matter how much I was trying to reach it.

In practical terms... If I was playing a war game in the computer and "booked" a nice match in which I killed, let's say, 30 guys and died 2 times (which is ridiculously insane in most war games and first-person shooters) I'd think "Well done... but I could have died just 1 time had I not done this and that and that against that guy". If I was playing poker and finished a session with +5 buy-ins (which is VERY nice, no matter the stakes or game involved) I'd then think "Well... but I could have done +7 buy-ins if that guy had not sucked out on me and if I had not spewed my chips on that other guy at that circumstance". To summarize: there was always an abstraction to chase, and that abstraction could never be reached.

I'm trying to get to a point here, which is the following. I actually expected to be a winner at every single session. Not because I expected to win, but because no matter how good I ran, I was never satisfied. No matter what I done, it was never enough. Needless to say that if I ran bad I was doubly depressed for showing so much incompetence!

The thing really changed to me when I understood that I needed to understand the nature of things (of all things, actually) an be OK with it. That out of resistance to things AS THEY ARE is that all suffering is born. If I expect to have a straight line of profit out of poker and I don't have it, it is not because I'm not being good enough to play it in a way that a straight line just appears in my screen, but because I'm not being good enough to assess the reality of the game and deal with it properly. When I meditated deeply on issues like variance and long-term expectation I could finally get rid of this bad mindset.

The result of all this is that now I don't bother (and I mean I really don't give a shit) when I'm a favorite on a hand and get sucked out, because that's the nature of the game. Now I'm also fine when I finish my session with +1BI, +3BI or even -3BI... because tomorrow I'll be there again and everything is alright the way it is...

I used to think that when one says "everything is alright the way it is" he was actually conforming with the situation, giving up any effort to change it. And that's why I resisted... but now I see that if I face things this way, then I'm capable of changing them with an effectiveness that was never possible before.

And that's how my poker got better and my win rate went from like 3BB/100 to 15BB/100 in a matter of weeks at pot-limit omaha. ♠_biggrin:

all I can say reading this thread is wow.

what a sicko you are sir.

I've known pleno1 a long time and you said more about his mental state in those paragraph than I could have done in another ten years (even though I have similarish problems, although maybe not to the same extreme)

[x] book ordered.

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by pleno1

Originally posted by JaredTendler

Originally posted by pleno1
The second most famous Barry from Sheffield ITT!!

Seriously - fantastic answers guys, can't wait to get my hands on the book.

The problem I have is when I know I'm going to have a losing session (tournaments) I find it insanely hard to concentrate. For example I have a 30 tournament schedule with lots of $200/$300's in, I usually go to the gym/swim beforehand and get in a really good mind frame, eventually I will be1 or 2 tabling a $26 at the end. I really find it hard to get the motivation to finish the session with the same mindset I started it with.

Another thing I have which I think is pretty huge and specific to me. Its hard to put it into words so I'll just tell the story. I was playing in a "deepstack" monthly tournament. Within the first 3 levels the average was 11,100 and I had 34,000. Half way through the next level I got really unlucky in two spots and I had 14,400. For me the tournament was over and instead of thinking "hey I'm above average" I just couldn't take my mind off thinking how many chips I had and that they should still be mine. I tilted off calling bets with any two cards and eventually bust before the end of the level. Whats the best way to keep myself composed in these spots? I literally think it could add an extra 7-8% on my roi.

Seriously, you're a Sheffield Barry?!

To your first problem - it sounds like your mindset gets off track because you end of focusing much more on results, than on the quality of your play. While financially, the end of a losing session, playing a tourny for a tiny amount, seems like a waste - as far as your learning goes - it's a tremendous opportunity. Why? Because its hard for you to focus and play the way you know you should. When that's hard, it means, that playing correctly at that time helps you train skills to the deepest level - Unconscious Competence (this is where you know something so well you never have to think about it, you just do it automatically). In order to reach that level, you must be able to avoid common mistakes. If you make a mistakes - it proves that you haven't yet mastered what is the correct way to play that particular spot. Instead, if you play correctly, even when the money is meaningless, you'll master these basics, and that allows you to move on to learning something new...because you can only focus on so much at one time.

To your second problem - it sounds like you get ahead of yourself, perhaps subtly feeling like you're in command of the tournament, maybe even that you might win, rather than staying committed to your strategy. Do you get nervous at that time?

Since I know that you tend to focus too much on results, I believe that's part of what happens here. Then as you start to lose, do you get a case of the "fuck its' - where you don't really care anymore because winning seems hopeless?

Post a few more details about what goes through your mind both when your accumulating a big stack, and on your way down. Then, I'll be able to figure out specifically what the cause is of your mindset getting thrown off track.

Yeah I start getting frustrated, thinking everybody is terrible at the table. When I call my hand is kind of pulling my chips back but my strong mentality forces them over the line. I think about seeing my girlfriend, getting a beer, basically anything apart from the one thing I'm there for, the tournament.

Straight after I walk about and I'm a cross between "meh" and "did I really just do that".

I think I'm understanding more now. Couple questions: Why is a losing session so frustrating? I realize you're not there to lose, but you know about variance, so I'm wondering specifically for you what makes losing so hard. Also, why are you playing the $26 games at the end?

Originally posted by pleno1
It is seriously very hard for me to just think "Hey Patrick, I know I'm the best player in this tournament, lets just stick to the strategy and keep making correct decisions and increasing my $ev" I know this is what I SHOULD be thinking but find it really hard to get into this mental state. I think I player poker best when I am really commanding a tournament/cash game and I'm chip leader/really deep. I guess this is the same for everybody though, but going from this phase where I think I am going to win the tournament to being still above average and knowing I'm going to be in the next 5 eliminations is really hard for me.

The mental game, and a proper mindset is a skill. Skills need to develop. Some come more naturally than others, and it sounds like you're much stronger at leading than you are at coming from behind. It's actually not the same for everyone. There are plenty of players who handle it in the opposite way - they're worse with a lead (get nervous, for example) and play their best when things are going against them.

If you want to improve this area, then each time your down, you have to fight against your natural tendency and put extra focus on correct decisions and ev. It won't come natural right away, but like any skill the more you do it, the easier it gets.

A losing session for me is infuriating because I'm used to grinding out solid winning sessions at cash. When I play tournaments I find it very infuriating that I cant "get a chance to get my cash back" I obviously udnerstand this is a big thing in tournaments.

I've also had 4 scores where I made mid 4 figures but was like 10-15 people off a huuuuge 6 figure score. I work outside of the felt on my game more than anybody else I know and I am super super dedicated and it feels to me like I've been "robbed" of huge huge score. So everytime I play a huge session I know I'm +ev for the session and that I have a good chance of a huge bink, but afterwards just feel totally robbed and as if I have just wasted a day where I could have been grinding cash.

Sorry if this sounds like rambling, just trying to really put across how I feel at the time, which is probably inside my head, just a load of rambling.

Also with the $26 I play them because I know there is potentially a very decent ROI and a nice score, but I have the mentality that I will go for chips and really try to win the tournament from the get-go which is obviously a bad mentality, but I really try to sometimes take flips in order to get a stack (because thats when I feel comfortable) when perhaps I don't need to.

This is just for $26's not bigger MTT's btw.

Keep the questions coming guys, as you can see once Jared gets started its hard to stop him.

Things Jared really helped me with as a bi product of working with him on the book included:

Risk Aversion
Feeling cursed
Being lazy when it came to working on my game away from the table
Increasing number of tables

Can you release your book for Kindle a.s.a.p. please? I only read stuff on my Kindle now. Paper is just sooooooo 20th century.

Okay, this question could be a bit fluffy:

What tips/tools/advice can you offer a player that is tilting, knows it, but won't leave the table. (Fortunately, it doesn't happen so often to me, but when it does it's like a tractor beam, and all roads lead to to the kingdom of Busto.)

In my experience, the following scenarios have occurred:

1) I normally set myself a hand limit for the session (say 200), on hand 180 I get a bad beat, and I feel the evil rise. After a while I "wake up" on, say, hand 300. I realise that I've spent the passed 120 hands wishing cancer on the guy whilst still trying to recoup some losses, but I cannot leave the table.

2) If I get one-outed by some bum, I immediately leave the table and say "no poker for 24hours". Two hours later I'm back at my desk raging at the world.

I'm fully aware that I know I'm steaming (temples pulsing), but I can't snap out of it.

So, long story short, how does a person get their mind off a bad session whilst still in a tilt-funk?

Cheers

Originally posted by jbpatzer
Can you release your book for Kindle a.s.a.p. please? I only read stuff on my Kindle now. Paper is just sooooooo 20th century.

Oh my gosh, jbpatzer are you serious?

And of course Welcome Jared and Barry! Great to have you guys here and awesome feedback thread.

Ingrid

Originally posted by IngridN

Originally posted by jbpatzer
Can you release your book for Kindle a.s.a.p. please? I only read stuff on my Kindle now. Paper is just sooooooo 20th century.

Oh my gosh, jbpatzer are you serious?

And of course Welcome Jared and Barry! Great to have you guys here and awesome feedback thread.

Ingrid

sorry to tell you Ingrid but you're getting old
kindle is a super awesome invention
can probably show you my one in private some day

Originally posted by Pascal

Originally posted by IngridN

Originally posted by jbpatzer
Can you release your book for Kindle a.s.a.p. please? I only read stuff on my Kindle now. Paper is just sooooooo 20th century.

Oh my gosh, jbpatzer are you serious?

And of course Welcome Jared and Barry! Great to have you guys here and awesome feedback thread.

Ingrid

sorry to tell you Ingrid but you're getting old
kindle is a super awesome invention
can probably show you my one in private some day

I smell something...

Hey,
I am reading the book and I rly like the "inchworm" theory. It makes a lot of sense to me
One Q though, Is this concept discussed further in the book cause when I thought about it then my current approach to studying might be wrong? (I am jsut on chapter 4-answering some Qs)
Thnx