No limit Starter Course with LemOn36

Was I right to fold here?

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.10 (205 bb)
BB: $3.40 (170 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $7.66 (383 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.28 (114 bb)
BTN: $1.23 (61.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38) 3 9 T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.38) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $0.24, Hero folds

Results: $0.38 pot ($0.02 rake)
Final Board: 3 9 T 3
SB mucked and won $0.36 ($0.18 net)
Hero mucked 4 4 and lost (-$0.18 net)

Originally posted by Jakkosh
Hi Lemon,
I have enjoyed your lessons so far and commend your way of teaching! I find things easier to learn when coach is always positive and upbeat. I just have a couple of questions.

If i understood it correctly we are to fold to 3-bets preflop with all hands that aren't red? Would this then make our fold to 3-bet too high and make ourselves a target?

We fold with all hands besides
- Red hands
- Pocket pairs that fulfill the Call20 rule

And yes, this does make our fold to 3bet high and we can indeed be a target if we play against a good player. The reasons why No Limit Beginner strategy recommends this approach are
1) As a beginner you will struggle with what to do when you call preflop without initiative.
2) People both don't 3bet enough at NL2 and NL5, and when they do they generally pay you off too much with weak hands.

As you move up there will be a necessity to defend more and more hands against 3bet, and in the toughest games you will need to get to around 45-50% fold to 3bet so people don't exploit you heavily. But even at NL25 you can get away with 65%-70 fold to 3bet and keep winrates around 6bb/100, people simply don't 3bet enough and don't pay enough attention to exploit you.

Also i heard you mention a few times that some of these tips and tricks, such as 100% cbet are very successful on 2nl and 5nl. At the moment im on 10nl, does this change slightly here? I seem to have more luck/success on the 5s with this than the 10s, do you think thats just variance or do you think that ,generally , people are a bit more observant to this on that limit?
I find myself being floated more often than not and lead into some interesting but marginal situations on the turn, where im not really sure if should go ahead and double barrel or check-raise etc or not. I think that some regs are getting used to me and exploiting my patterns. So im I am in two minds whether to go with my read and adapt to the play, or to just stick to the rules and give it up!

And yes, I think you should start to learn to check behind more
I may of understood some of this incorrectly so please correct me if im wrong!

Thanks for your time and see you next week.

Yes, no limit beginner strategy has 100% cbet, bet/fold strategy and it's good against people that
- call too wide preflop
- fold too much on flop with their wide range, and then are reluctant to fold on turn+river
- don't pay attention to what you are doing

Characteristics that are typical for the smallest limits - you don't have to double barrel, or check raise on turns, you simply bet and keep betting your strong hands and strong draws, bet flop and check fold your thrash hands including midpairs. It's not optimal, but it's a strategy that will yield the most success against most opponents at NL2/NL5 while keeping simplicity.

As you get better and are more familiar with complex situations, that cbet% will drop, as you
- Check fold boards with weak hands that hit opponents range strongly
- Stop cbetting mid strength hands pretty much completely as you'll start learning what to do against a bet
- Develop a multi-street range based gameplan where you try to protect all your lines, make use of range advantage, play with range disadvantage and aim not to be exploited and exploit your opponents.

I think at NL10 optimal cbet% vs the population should be around 60%-65% on average - people still will fold too much, but you should start to
- give up hands with no backdoor draws on boards good for your opponents, especially out of position
- Use bet flop check call turn line with a lot of medium strenght hands that can't get 3 streets (like TPNK, 2nd pair) vs people that float you. (to check fold river, most NL10 regs are way too passive there) etc.
- Start using delayed cbet in position + check back with showdown value hands etc.

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Originally posted by nickycakes
Was I right to fold here?

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.10 (205 bb)
BB: $3.40 (170 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $7.66 (383 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.28 (114 bb)
BTN: $1.23 (61.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.18, BB folds, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38) 3 9 T (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.38) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $0.24, Hero folds

Results: $0.38 pot ($0.02 rake)
Final Board: 3 9 T 3
SB mucked and won $0.36 ($0.18 net)
Hero mucked 4 4 and lost (-$0.18 net)

Yes, well played!
preflop will be close by the way

Originally posted by LemOn36
Yes, well played!
preflop will be close by the way

Yeah actually I guess that was the wrong call as I calculated it against his stack and not mine, so should have folded pre-flop after being raised I suppose (only 18.5 if I used effective stack). Still getting the hang of it.

Hey Lemon,
Thanks so much for taking the time with your detailed reply.
It has definitely given me alot to think about, and put into practice. Iv actually printed off the points you have given me and I am going to keep it next to me with the charts for a while in order to drill this into my game.
I am certain that your reply = +ev for me, so many thanks again! ♠_pleased:

Looking forward to your next lesson, you have been a great help. See you on monday

Hey Lemon (or anyone), just want to double check that I played this hand correctly and got unlucky.

IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $1.13 (56.5 bb)
BB: $0.65 (32.5 bb)
UTG: $2.02 (101 bb)
MP: $2.64 (132 bb)
Hero (CO): $1.93 (96.5 bb)
BTN: $3.73 (186.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T A
UTG calls $0.02, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.19) J T A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.13, UTG calls $0.13

Turn: ($0.45) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.31, UTG raises to $0.96, Hero raises to $1.72 and is all-in, UTG calls $0.76

River: ($3.89) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $3.89 pot ($0.25 rake)
Final Board: J T A 2 2
UTG showed K Q and won $3.64 ($1.71 net)
Hero mucked T A and lost (-$1.93 net)

Nickycakes - I'm a complete beginner with 6-max, but with the beginner strategy in mind, it seems to be like you played the hand correctly. Your bet sizing with the isolation and on flop and turn looks perfect. You cant be too scared that the villain hit a straight on the flop. I think even if you flatted the check raise on the turn you would probably end up getting it in on the river anyway and you protected the flush draw for the river also.
It was kind of strange of him to open limp utg with KQo anyway, A10s seems ok to isolate in position to me.
But like i say thats just my opinion, I may be completly wrong, im certainly no expert! So maybe another opinion on this would be good. Just my 2 cents!
Gl at the tables

Hello Nickycakes.
Jakkosh is correct, and thank you for your reply Jakkosh!
ATs is blue in the CO/MP chart, so you do indeed raise the limper, and you'd raise to 4bb+1 which means $.1 but 0.8 is fine
You hit a better hand than top pair, so you bet 2/3 pot on flop and turn, and re-raise 3.5x when raised
You played the hand perfectly according to the no limit beginner strategy postflop, so well done!

This is a typical spot where I always think ... wtf ... it happens on NL2 and NL5 a lot. I have not found a clear line for these spots now, but I thought a fold on the turn, even though a bit nitty might be ok:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 373 BB (VPIP: 12.20, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
SB: 114.5 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 166)
BB: 177.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
UTG: 102 BB (VPIP: 21.78, PFR: 16.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 103)
MP: 160.5 BB
Hero (CO): 164 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ Q♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 3♦ 4♣
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (26.5 BB, 2 players) K♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, fold

No. 2: I think I made a mistake here ... raising the flop would have been the better option I think, although he is betting big enough already and does not have so many FDs in his range I think. The turn is a setup then, nothing I can do probably:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB: 169 BB (VPIP: 9.92, PFR: 7.44, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 125)
BB: 60.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (UTG): 124 BB
MP: 102.5 BB
CO: 176.5 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 72)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♣ 8♦

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero calls 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB

Flop: (22 BB, 3 players) 4♣ 8♥ 5♣
SB bets 10.5 BB, Hero calls 10.5 BB, fold

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) Q♦
SB bets 20.5 BB, Hero raises to 75 BB, SB raises to 151.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 31.5 BB and is all-in

River: (256 BB, 2 players) 2♣

And finally this annoying thing here. I HATE decues ♦ .. might be just a muck pf, however if we do not call them on the button, where to call this crappy hand? Maybe just muck it altogether? lol Could I improve my line here somehow? I think there is nothing we can really do... except fold the river but ... that should be marginal, if I am not mistaken?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 143.5 BB
SB: 151.5 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BB: 149 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 19.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 58)
UTG: 113 BB (VPIP: 19.75, PFR: 16.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 160)
MP: 85.5 BB (VPIP: 16.78, PFR: 11.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 148)
CO: 156.5 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 8.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2♠ 2♥

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 5♦ Q♣ 2♣
SB checks, BB bets 7 BB, UTG calls 7 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 16 BB

Turn: (65 BB, 2 players) J♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 62 BB, UTG calls 62 BB

River: (189 BB, 2 players) 7♣
UTG bets 25 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 25 BB

Originally posted by LemOn36

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Originally posted by FollowTheSmartMoney
This is a typical spot where I always think ... wtf ... it happens on NL2 and NL5 a lot. I have not found a clear line for these spots now, but I thought a fold on the turn, even though a bit nitty might be ok:

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 373 BB (VPIP: 12.20, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
SB: 114.5 BB (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 166)
BB: 177.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 4)
UTG: 102 BB (VPIP: 21.78, PFR: 16.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 103)
MP: 160.5 BB
Hero (CO): 164 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ Q♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 3♦ 4♣
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (26.5 BB, 2 players) K♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 14 BB, fold

Spoiler

BTN wins 25.5 BB

No. 2: I think I made a mistake here ... raising the flop would have been the better option I think, although he is betting big enough already and does not have so many FDs in his range I think. The turn is a setup then, nothing I can do probably:

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 95.5 BB (VPIP: 5.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
SB: 169 BB (VPIP: 9.92, PFR: 7.44, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 125)
BB: 60.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
Hero (UTG): 124 BB
MP: 102.5 BB
CO: 176.5 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 18.84, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 72)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8♣ 8♦

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero calls 4 BB, MP calls 4 BB

Flop: (22 BB, 3 players) 4♣ 8♥ 5♣
SB bets 10.5 BB, Hero calls 10.5 BB, fold

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) Q♦
SB bets 20.5 BB, Hero raises to 75 BB, SB raises to 151.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 31.5 BB and is all-in

River: (256 BB, 2 players) 2♣

Spoiler

SB shows Q♣ Q♥ (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 81%, Flop 13%, Turn 98%)
Hero shows 8♣ 8♦ (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 19%, Flop 87%, Turn 2%)
SB wins 247 BB

And finally this annoying thing here. I HATE decues ♦ .. might be just a muck pf, however if we do not call them on the button, where to call this crappy hand? Maybe just muck it altogether? lol Could I improve my line here somehow? I think there is nothing we can really do... except fold the river but ... that should be marginal, if I am not mistaken?

Spoiler

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 143.5 BB
SB: 151.5 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BB: 149 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 19.30, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 58)
UTG: 113 BB (VPIP: 19.75, PFR: 16.56, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 160)
MP: 85.5 BB (VPIP: 16.78, PFR: 11.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 148)
CO: 156.5 BB (VPIP: 12.12, PFR: 8.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 101)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2♠ 2♥

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 5♦ Q♣ 2♣
SB checks, BB bets 7 BB, UTG calls 7 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 16 BB

Turn: (65 BB, 2 players) J♥
UTG checks, Hero bets 62 BB, UTG calls 62 BB

River: (189 BB, 2 players) 7♣
UTG bets 25 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 25 BB

Spoiler

UTG shows K♣ A♣ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 50%, Flop 26%, Turn 23%)
Hero shows 2♠ 2♥ (Three of a Kind, Twos)
(Pre 50%, Flop 74%, Turn 77%)
UTG wins 230.5 BB

Hand1: I'd 3bb pre, Beginner strategy tells you that and people don't 3bet enough, fold to flop cbets too much and then pay off in large pots too often at NL2. You're deep with 2 other players as well.
Flop's interesting as you should have a hand that is between a made hand and a monster really as he should have virtually no 3x in his range and only thing that beats you is 44 and one combo of 33 as KK AA will be expected to 3bet preflop. So definitely calling the flop, I'd personally call the turn too as it doesn't change much and fold to a large river bet

Hand2: beginner strategy tells you to raise the flop. And this is what I'd do - reason's simple, he plays 10/7 small 3bet over a smallish sample, this player type's preflop range is heavily weighted towards QQ+ and I don't think you get more than 1 street out of AK anyways. And at NL2 nobody will wold QQ when you raise I believe. You are deeper here and don't want a 6,7 falling off possibly even a club if he plays scared money. Against good players with reasonable 3bet range I would flat flop always, but this is a case where following the beginner strategy to the dot will get you the best result.

Hand3
you can raise the flop a bit bigger so you can then shove the turn, but well played!

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Some hands from today's short session, NL5 Fullring, but the interesting stuff happens postflop. Results hidden

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 74.4 BB (VPIP: 3.13, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: 122.6 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 118.8 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.99, PFR: 11.49, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 92)
MP: 70.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+1: 114.2 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP+2: 50 BB (VPIP: 10.64, PFR: 2.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
CO: 91.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♣ T♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 3.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (10.6 BB, 3 players) 5♣ J♣ 7♣
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Turn: (34.6 BB, 2 players) 9♥
Hero bets 31 BB, CO calls 31 BB

River: (96.6 BB, 2 players) J♥
Hero bets 46.2 BB, CO calls 45 BB and is all-in

I think raising here and just barreling is pretty standard if he wants action. The question is, if we can still shove the river as intended - I would think so, given the fact that villain has many weaker FDs in his range, or even some twopairs ... of course sets as well though ... but does a set call such a large size twice to see the river pair? Hmmmm....

Second hand: Big mistake, I think the turn is a give up already. This is burning money I think what I did there.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 116 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 24)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
UTG: 110.8 BB (VPIP: 12.73, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 55)
UTG+1: 24.6 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 18.37, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 52)
MP+1: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 12.73, PFR: 3.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
MP+2: 86.6 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 17)
CO: 24.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 10 BB, MP+2 calls 7 BB

Flop: (37 BB, 3 players) K♠ 3♦ Q♦
Hero bets 18 BB, UTG+1 calls 12.6 BB and is all-in, MP+2 calls 18 BB

Turn: (85.6 BB, 3 players) 9♦
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 27 BB, Hero calls 27 BB

River: (139.6 BB, 3 players) T♥
Hero checks, MP+2 checks

Third hand: Pretty tough spot. But I think the river should be a fold ... he is barreling the flop in potsize, which I can only call because of two overs and NFD I think - it is close already, maybe a fold is even better but ... yeah, really close I think. On the river I see him at least with a twopair, Aces, Kings (though I am blocking these) or a set that improved to a boat.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 207 BB (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 178.6 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 70)
Hero (BB): 107.8 BB
UTG: 103 BB (VPIP: 12.43, PFR: 11.83, 3Bet Preflop: 1.54, Hands: 171)
UTG+1: 120.8 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 34)
MP: 164.8 BB (VPIP: 20.97, PFR: 15.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 188)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 30)
MP+2: 246 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 22)
CO: 122.6 BB (VPIP: 17.61, PFR: 14.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.99, Hands: 178)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♦ A♦

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 3♠ 9♦ 6♦
Hero checks, MP bets 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 9 BB

Turn: (27.4 BB, 2 players) K♣
Hero checks, MP bets 26.2 BB, Hero calls 26.2 BB

River: (79.8 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero checks, MP bets 76.4 BB, fold,

Last but not least, A hand I think I played well. I checked the nuts behind since I was pretty sure he would barrel again, given his perceived range made out of twopairs, sets and FDs, so I saw more value in a check raise here:

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 160.8 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 46)
SB: 198.6 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 134.2 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
UTG+1: 82 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP: 137 BB (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 7.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 43)
MP+1: 61.4 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
MP+2: 60.8 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
CO: 99 BB (VPIP: 6.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♣ K♣

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) T♦ Q♠ 7♠
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets 9.8 BB, SB calls 9.8 BB, Hero calls 9.8 BB, fold

Turn: (41.4 BB, 3 players) 9♦
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 28 BB, fold, Hero raises to 74 BB, CO raises to 86.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 12.2 BB

River: (213.8 BB, 2 players) 8♠

Originally posted by FollowTheSmartMoney
Some hands from today's short session, NL5 Fullring, but the interesting stuff happens postflop. Results hidden

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 74.4 BB (VPIP: 3.13, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
SB: 122.6 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 118.8 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.99, PFR: 11.49, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 92)
MP: 70.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP+1: 114.2 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP+2: 50 BB (VPIP: 10.64, PFR: 2.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
CO: 91.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♣ T♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 3.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (10.6 BB, 3 players) 5♣ J♣ 7♣
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 7 BB

Turn: (34.6 BB, 2 players) 9♥
Hero bets 31 BB, CO calls 31 BB

River: (96.6 BB, 2 players) J♥
Hero bets 46.2 BB, CO calls 45 BB and is all-in

I think raising here and just barreling is pretty standard if he wants action. The question is, if we can still shove the river as intended - I would think so, given the fact that villain has many weaker FDs in his range, or even some twopairs ... of course sets as well though ... but does a set call such a large size twice to see the river pair? Hmmmm....

Second hand: Big mistake, I think the turn is a give up already. This is burning money I think what I did there.

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 116 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 24)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 6)
UTG: 110.8 BB (VPIP: 12.73, PFR: 7.27, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 55)
UTG+1: 24.6 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 18.37, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 52)
MP+1: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 12.73, PFR: 3.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
MP+2: 86.6 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 29.41, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 17)
CO: 24.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 10 BB, MP+2 calls 7 BB

Flop: (37 BB, 3 players) K♠ 3♦ Q♦
Hero bets 18 BB, UTG+1 calls 12.6 BB and is all-in, MP+2 calls 18 BB

Turn: (85.6 BB, 3 players) 9♦
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 27 BB, Hero calls 27 BB

River: (139.6 BB, 3 players) T♥
Hero checks, MP+2 checks

Third hand: Pretty tough spot. But I think the river should be a fold ... he is barreling the flop in potsize, which I can only call because of two overs and NFD I think - it is close already, maybe a fold is even better but ... yeah, really close I think. On the river I see him at least with a twopair, Aces, Kings (though I am blocking these) or a set that improved to a boat.

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 207 BB (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 178.6 BB (VPIP: 17.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 70)
Hero (BB): 107.8 BB
UTG: 103 BB (VPIP: 12.43, PFR: 11.83, 3Bet Preflop: 1.54, Hands: 171)
UTG+1: 120.8 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 34)
MP: 164.8 BB (VPIP: 20.97, PFR: 15.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 188)
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 30)
MP+2: 246 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 22)
CO: 122.6 BB (VPIP: 17.61, PFR: 14.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.99, Hands: 178)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♦ A♦

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 3♠ 9♦ 6♦
Hero checks, MP bets 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 9 BB

Turn: (27.4 BB, 2 players) K♣
Hero checks, MP bets 26.2 BB, Hero calls 26.2 BB

River: (79.8 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero checks, MP bets 76.4 BB, fold,

Last but not least, A hand I think I played well. I checked the nuts behind since I was pretty sure he would barrel again, given his perceived range made out of twopairs, sets and FDs, so I saw more value in a check raise here:

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PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 160.8 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 46)
SB: 198.6 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 134.2 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
UTG+1: 82 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
MP: 137 BB (VPIP: 14.63, PFR: 7.32, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 43)
MP+1: 61.4 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
MP+2: 60.8 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
CO: 99 BB (VPIP: 6.25, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 17)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♣ K♣

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) T♦ Q♠ 7♠
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets 9.8 BB, SB calls 9.8 BB, Hero calls 9.8 BB, fold

Turn: (41.4 BB, 3 players) 9♦
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 28 BB, fold, Hero raises to 74 BB, CO raises to 86.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 12.2 BB

River: (213.8 BB, 2 players) 8♠

H1: Beginner strategy tells you to fold as this has been a UTG+1 raiser.
But as I explained to you guys, the big blind is the first position where you should be loosening up as you gain experience, and ATs should be a reasonable flat
The beginner strategy tells you to lead here, and I think that's a good option here out of position with a 94bb stack: Simply lead and keep betting.
As played you should be raising bigger on the flop, his calling range shouldn't change much and him being 91bb stack increases the likelihood of him being a recreational player significantly. and I would bet turn shove river myself, with bigger raise size on the flop, smaller bet size on the turn.

H2: Beginner strategy tells you to bet 2/3 on flop, turn and river and treat the hand as a monster as it's a re-raised pot.
But I think you're correct to assume that our hand is not a monster anymore here. First I'd bet roughly 14bb on the flop - you put the shortie all-in and MP can't really raise you light ever as you'll be almost never bluffing here. Turn's a close spot here, I assume KK AA re-raise preflop and you remove half of them with the A and K blocker. QQ beats you, AK you chop, flushes beat you, and he has no reason to bet midpairs or bluff as shortie called there. So it's very close against this sizing, but a fold wouldn't be terrible actually. I'm going to admit I'd check call this size to check fold river ingame myself when I autopilot though and don't think hard about the hand though.

H3: Beginner strategy tells you to 3bet preflop, and that's what I'd do - his statistics seem pretty loose for fullring. As played flop and turn will be calls I'd say 3way, and you're right to fold river. Beginner strategy tells you to fold made hands to >50% bet and when he opened in MP, flop was 3way and you remove most flush draws with the Kd+ Ad you're holding he should be inclined to bet river with I'd say this is a correct fold.

H4: I think this is fine, a large lead on the turn wouldn't be terrible

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Thanks for reply, here we go again after a very tough session:

Hand1: I think I should maybe just raise the flop, it is a tough flop though. The reason for my shove was: It was seemingly a loose fish who was barreling in strange spots before against me:

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 31)
SB: 165.6 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.58, PFR: 8.42, 3Bet Preflop: 5.41, Hands: 98)
UTG+1: 261.8 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 41)
MP: 228.2 BB (VPIP: 23.03, PFR: 18.42, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 152)
MP+1: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 14.14, PFR: 13.13, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 102)
Hero (MP+2): 122 BB
CO: 78.4 BB (VPIP: 13.79, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 2♥ T♠ 6♠
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 13 BB, UTG+1 raises to 34.8 BB, Hero calls 21.8 BB

Turn: (89 BB, 2 players) 8♦
UTG+1 bets 50.2 BB, Hero raises to 78.2 BB and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 28 BB

River: (245.4 BB, 2 players) 2♣

Hand 2: Wonder if we can ever fold to this donk shove. I think not really, do we?!

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 478.2 BB (VPIP: 17.81, PFR: 13.74, 3Bet Preflop: 2.58, Hands: 399)
BB: 50.4 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
UTG: 102.6 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
UTG+1: 168.6 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP: 111.8 BB (VPIP: 22.97, PFR: 16.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
MP+1: 106.6 BB (VPIP: 25.81, PFR: 19.67, 3Bet Preflop: 12.00, Hands: 62)
MP+2: 114.2 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 45)
CO: 43.4 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 4.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♥ A♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB calls 1.6 BB, fold

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) J♣ 3♣ 6♠
SB checks, Hero bets 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Turn: (11 BB, 2 players) A♠
SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

River: (29 BB, 2 players) T♥
SB bets 198 BB, Hero calls 86 BB and is all-in

Hand 3: I think I made a mistake here. The turn is already close, and possible to fold on NL5 Nitring. The river call is suicidal I think. I blame that to some sort of light tilt after running really bad again.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 89.6 BB (VPIP: 13.68, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 118)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
UTG: 99 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.77, Hands: 106)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.36, PFR: 14.55, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 227)
MP: 129 BB (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)
MP+1: 318.6 BB (VPIP: 12.94, PFR: 9.88, 3Bet Preflop: 7.43, Hands: 430)
MP+2: 137.6 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: 108 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 42)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7♥ 8♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) T♥ 4♥ 2♠
Hero bets 3.8 BB, BB calls 3.8 BB

Turn: (13.6 BB, 2 players) 2♥
Hero bets 8 BB, BB raises to 18 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River: (49.6 BB, 2 players) 6♣
Hero checks, BB bets 34 BB, Hero calls 34 BB

Hand 4: To fold or not to fold?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 121.4 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 10)
SB: 99 BB
BB: 147.8 BB (VPIP: 13.40, PFR: 10.31, 3Bet Preflop: 7.94, Hands: 198)
UTG: 232.2 BB (VPIP: 10.71, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (UTG+1): 130.2 BB
MP: 119.4 BB (VPIP: 15.21, PFR: 12.44, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 218)
MP+1: 123.6 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 14)
MP+2: 164 BB (VPIP: 18.60, PFR: 11.63, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 43)
CO: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 17.48, PFR: 13.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 251)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♣ K♣

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) A♦ T♥ Q♦
BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, MP+2 calls 6 BB, fold

Turn: (21.4 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero bets 11 BB, MP+2 calls 11 BB

River: (43.4 BB, 2 players) 5♠
Hero bets 16 BB, MP+2 raises to 53 BB, fold,

hand 5: Same question. Is the river fold reasonable?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 125.2 BB (VPIP: 10.34, PFR: 6.90, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
SB: 248.8 BB (VPIP: 14.71, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 34)
BB: 355.2 BB (VPIP: 15.91, PFR: 10.95, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 429)
UTG: 104.4 BB (VPIP: 18.26, PFR: 12.17, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 117)
UTG+1: 104 BB (VPIP: 12.66, PFR: 8.86, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 79)
MP: 154.6 BB (VPIP: 13.44, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 313)
MP+1: 120.6 BB (VPIP: 7.94, PFR: 6.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
Hero (MP+2): 150.4 BB
CO: 199.4 BB (VPIP: 8.91, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.18, Hands: 249)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A♥ A♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) 2♠ 3♥ J♦
Hero bets 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Turn: (15.4 BB, 2 players) 4♥
Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

River: (33.4 BB, 2 players) K♣
Hero bets 15 BB, BTN raises to 56.2 BB, fold,

All the hands are full ring. This thread is a beginners course short handed BSS.

They Apply as well, ranges re just tighter although I do think 6max is the better game variant as coaching are taylored towards it
H1 - I'd actually flat in FR vs UTG+1, as played it's close but I'd play it the same
H2 - I'd suggest you open 2.5bb at NL5, postflop is well played
H3 - I would not fold for sure, our hand is between a monster and made hand so I'm calling turn. River will be close, I'd say folding the preferred option, people just do not bluff thereand he's a nit
H4 - Eh this is close, honestly I don't have a clue only flush combos is KJdd here, maybe T9dd if people call that even preflop? flip a coin really a call should be okay
H5 - this is a fold on the river for sure on the other hand

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Originally posted by wimNP
All the hands are full ring. This thread is a beginners course short handed BSS.

yeah, I mixed in a bit FR, will try to bring in some SH next time. Yet FR is not sooooo much different, especially the postflop spots, just a bit tighter. And since nobody else posts there hands anyway ....