rake changes

Originally posted by shanesmith
End of the day, were all narked with the situation, but any decent player that knows anything about poker would leave the games that are effected by the rake increase and find other forms of the game were they can gain there edge, poker evolves and so should we. That's my last comment on the subject.

Do you even have any idea what you are talking about? how bad was it for you? do you understand what actually is going on?

If your trying to insult my intelligence you have a long way to go.

Barry Carter wrote 2(!) articles supporting Spin n`Go.
Pokerstrategy wrote article about how to beat spin n`go which is obviously not meant for winning players.
90% of Regulars takes spin n go`s as huge step towards making pokerstars more into casino rather than pokerroom.
Pokerstrategy didn`t yet write about rake increase even tho that is by far biggest new for regulars since black friday. And Pokerstrategy kind of writes news for regulars.
You may not understand, that is probably because you don`t see situation we are in. If you were paying bills playing poker and looked up to Pokerstrategy as some sort of Godfather who look ups to poker players. If you were expecting Pokerstrategy to support your cause for years and when slot machines company buys by far biggest poker room and starts crusade against regs i am quite disappointed that all Pokerstrategy has to say about it is "Pokerstars does not owe you a living".

this..+100 . completely agree

Originally posted by shanesmith
If your trying to insult my intelligence you have a long way to go.

you got it wrong, all i am saying is that we are not in the same shoes like you say. Prove me wrong, tell me you are playing poker for a living and i will admit you actually understand what this situation means. I just do not believe that someone who pay for his and possibly dor someone else living wouldn`t see problem in Pokerstrategy position

LOL at people in this thread who think they know what they are talking about when the haven't got a clue.

Stop crying, fighting etc. come together and formulate a plan.

I have read in 2p2 this:

I'm a professional player, but I'm also on the industry side. In a recent meeting with several different sites/people (from several of the largest poker brands) they have flat out stated that the days of the online poker pro are over, and it is flat out hurting their bottom line. Some of you think that they will be sad to see you go, but the fact is, they are literally trying to find a way to get some of you winning players off of the site. They know that there are some players who will always beat or try to beat the games, but they are doing everything in their power without flat out kicking off pros to make it more of an even playing field. Doing things like having faster blind structures, smaller starting stacks etc. give the average player a shot to beat pros more frequently. The fact that they are now increasing the rake isn't going to effect or even be noticed by the random person looking to have fun, but it will deter some pros, and in the end, that's their true goal. Not a brag, but last year I made over $200k in profit on ipoker, ftp, and stars combined, and after this year I honestly am probably going to move on with my life. "You're welcome PokerStars"

which if is true, then really no point in try to fight but just choose some other hobby/job.

I am just not getting - why they have vip systems and rb which basically tells that they want regs because fish does not care about vip or rb anyway?

Originally posted by SPeedFANat1c
I have read in 2p2 this:

I'm a professional player, but I'm also on the industry side. In a recent meeting with several different sites/people (from several of the largest poker brands) they have flat out stated that the days of the online poker pro are over, and it is flat out hurting their bottom line. Some of you think that they will be sad to see you go, but the fact is, they are literally trying to find a way to get some of you winning players off of the site. They know that there are some players who will always beat or try to beat the games, but they are doing everything in their power without flat out kicking off pros to make it more of an even playing field. Doing things like having faster blind structures, smaller starting stacks etc. give the average player a shot to beat pros more frequently. The fact that they are now increasing the rake isn't going to effect or even be noticed by the random person looking to have fun, but it will deter some pros, and in the end, that's their true goal. Not a brag, but last year I made over $200k in profit on ipoker, ftp, and stars combined, and after this year I honestly am probably going to move on with my life. "You're welcome PokerStars"

which if is true, then really no point in try to fight but just choose some other hobby/job.

I am just not getting - why they have vip systems and rb which basically tells that they want regs because fish does not care about vip or rb anyway?

I don't believe in that person to be honest. someone whos on the industry side , he would have to be really high and well paid to get the secrets of the poker brands. They don't flat out admit they want to kick us off the sites to some random dude. and on top of that a legitimate statement isn't followed with "i made $200k last year on poker no brag" seriously. But hes right in one thing. It looks like they don't want regs.. which i don't understand at all. if regs aren't here then the poker economy is going to crash down and hard. the fish won't have a reason to deposit anymore as they themselves becomes the new regs .. the long time fish that is. so slowly they are going to win because there are even worse players than them. But then again rake will kill anyones profit. But really theres no fun in a game where you don't have a chance to win and walk away with a bit of proofit for the night.. the rake will eat up a fishes profits. making it all a losing business no matter how good you are or bad. and the even playing field is the worst bs ive heard in a while. they just want to kick us off because we take the fishes money. so they scare us away and claim the fishes money through rake. gaining them monopoly on profits on their site.

Fish may not notice rake flat out, but imo its the main reason many of them start to think online poker is rigged. They know on some level they are losing more than they "should" be and don't know why, and if rake goes up I expect to see a lot more poker is rigged threads.

Originally posted by metza
Fish may not notice rake flat out, but imo its the main reason many of them start to think online poker is rigged. They know on some level they are losing more than they "should" be and don't know why, and if rake goes up I expect to see a lot more poker is rigged threads.

making stars lose even more customers. so either way its a lose lose situation we and pokerstars is in.

Hey, guys. In case you haven't seen it yet: PokerStars responds over rake increase

excuses, excuses, excuses. what a load of bs. lying to our faces.

Originally posted by zilltine
Come on Pokerstrategy, write a fucking article how this is good for long-term poker economy, i dare you. Show us that stars have you by the balls more than us. Why you didn`t even announce these news?

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/world-of-poker/PokerStars-responds-over-rake-increase_87957/

not quite from their mouth, but close?