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200 JTo, two pair on R vs small donkbet

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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

imo, he's never going to show up with K8s, and that's why i'm tempted to say he's not going to show up too often with K9s either. So for a 20/16 i'd give KTs+, KJ+ and even KJo might not get flatted every time. I don't know tbh, i don't expect this guy to be highly aware that he should be widening his range here a lot because the fish is likely to peel as well.


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pleno1
Joined: 19.11.2010

Yeah, as the discussion grows a little bit, I think in villains shoes he should definitely be flatting KTs+ and KJo+


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LooserSR
Joined: 27.02.2011

i definetely see in SB range a lot of suited conectors because its very probable fish in UTG overcalls too... KT+ is must call with fish in pot...

on turn he has odds to draw to flush too, because fish is likely to overcall + he can get usually a small value on river when flush hits(as he did...).

as played on river you are almost never good with 2 pairs, hes blockbetting KJ, KT or small valuebet flush cause he knows you are not paying off bigger bet with one pair/two pairs. if SB is good reg, i just fold river


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Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009

Originally posted by LooserSR
as played on river you are almost never good with 2 pairs, hes blockbetting KJ, KT or small valuebet flush cause he knows you are not paying off bigger bet with one pair/two pairs. if SB is good reg, i just fold river

why is he checking fds and two pairs on T?


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Originally posted by Bierbaer
@OP-hand
Hm the question is what SB calls preflop. His range is rather strong here, I think smth like JTs or even Q9s shouldn't call.

I think his range for calling is smth like AT+, KQ and small PPs / other hands he thinks he has implieds with.

FDs are usually betting the turn I think (and given the odds, definitely not c/calling).
So the hands left are AQ/KQ/AK, maybe KJ if it happened to be in his callingrange pre.
I saw people doublechecking those quite often, so the argument he'd lead all of those most of the time is not valid I think.

I agree with this post, and I'm with PLENO on just calling and making a note, it's a non-stnd line and when people I play often take non-stnd lines I am ALWAYS extremely keen to know what hole cards they have :)


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LooserSR
Joined: 27.02.2011

Originally posted by Shevtshenko

Originally posted by LooserSR
as played on river you are almost never good with 2 pairs, hes blockbetting KJ, KT or small valuebet flush cause he knows you are not paying off bigger bet with one pair/two pairs. if SB is good reg, i just fold river

why is he checking fds and two pairs on T?

becasue he is SB and is OOP ... with FD he has nothing yet, may think he has no FE vs fish, so can just wait to hit, with 2 pairs he can get tricky and c/c or c/r, doesnt have to necessarily lead out that or FDs.

and im pretty sure most regs are calling there from SB with a ton of suited conectors(i would, with fish in pot), no way he is folding preflop JTs or KJ as someone suggested.


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