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11$ MTT - KQo

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PaPi92
Joined: 17.02.2011

29/14/steal from SB 33%(3)/cbet flop-75%(4)/Agr Freq flop-47%(17)/turn-60%(5)/river-50%(4) for 101 hands.
Raise/call flop is +EV, i think.But can we get more value with call flop?

Poker Stars $8.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t60/t120 Blinds + t15 - 8 players - View hand 1824818
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SB: t8145 M = 27.15
Hero (BB): t7498 M = 24.99
UTG: t10619 M = 35.40
UTG+1: t6088 M = 20.29
MP1: t5640 M = 18.80
MP2: t6320 M = 21.07
CO: t9775 M = 32.58
BTN: t20363 M = 67.88

Pre Flop: (t300) Hero is BB with K :spade: Q :heart:
6 folds, SB raises to t240, Hero calls t120

Flop: (t600) T :heart: K :club: 3 :heart: (2 players)
SB bets t600, Hero calls t600

Turn: (t1800) J :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets t1440, Hero calls t1440

River: (t4680) 7 :spade: (2 players)
SB bets t3360, Hero folds


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rhinoneil
Joined: 16.04.2008

I think I 3bet this pre but as played, I would consider raising the flop bet.

Calling is ok as long as you are prepared to call down all the way in the absence of some major scare card.

The way you played this looks like you are flushing so when heart doesnt come villain can push you off the pot, with or without a hand, which I guess is what you want villain to think, in which case you should call river bet.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

I tend to call flop in these situations. If I do, I would also fold the river against most opponents. Those stats definitely don't change my default play (only looking at the 29/14, nothing else is worth much over this sample). Raise/calling flop is absolutely fine also. I'd say probably raise/call is slightly better.


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PaPi92
Joined: 17.02.2011

In situations like this, when we call pre flop, when the flop is drawy raise/call is better, because when we raise our range is not only ready hands, we can raise good hands, draws, sometimes bluffs.But on dry flops call flop is better, because there isn`t many dangerous cards, and if we raise, the opponent will continue with weaker hands very rarely.
Is my thinking right and if not, you can say your thinking about spots like this.


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Alverine
Joined: 31.01.2009

Problem here by raising flop you don't really want to play for stacks. Espcially against his pot sizing bet, I prefer much more call down, you get a lot value bluff catching.

Imo you played all streets optimal.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

On the one hand, it's a potsize bet. On the other hand, it WAS blind vs blind so people are generally wider for both value and air here. I think we can get it in on the flop against K9+ type hands, although overall equity wise against his range we're probably not doing amazing. As a result, given that we have position and without THAT many scare cards in the deck I personally call. But I still think raise/calling is probably the most optimal (and also highest variance).


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