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my two moronic "I am st1ckman!! rahgh!" plays.

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the hands went in a row. Villain had sth like 84\44 and lotta aggression. Having looked at Villain's stats Hero suddenly found himseld in a moronic "i'm gonna punish your moronic stats" mode.

Also there was some leveling:

Hero knew about Hero that he probably was trying to out-think someone. Also he knew that Hero was very unlikely to be actually thinking at all.

And he knew that Hero knew that...

#1. where Hero showed his cards making a large investment in meta-game which he knows nothing about.

IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Preflop: Hero is SB with A J
BTN raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, BTN calls

Flop: (7 SB) K 2 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

River: (6.5 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, BTN folds

Results:

Spoiler

6.5 BB pot (0.2 BB rake)
Final Board: K 2 4 9 Q
BTN mucked and lost (-3 BB net)
Hero mucked A J and won 6.3 BB (3.3 BB net)

#2.
IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 K
Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls

Flop: (4.4 SB) 6 4 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls

Turn: (3.2 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (3.2 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls

Results:

Spoiler

7.2 BB pot (0.2 BB rake)
Final Board: 6 4 5 3 9
BB showed 6 8 and lost (-3.5 BB net)
Hero mucked 9 K and won 7 BB (3.5 BB net)

where (here comes st1ckman!) Hero was frightened as chicken to continue on turn 'cause "OMG he's just seen what i'm barreling with!!! ". But man, no one can read thoughts, it doesn't look so uncool, right? After all, no one can see what i've wussied with 'cause in poker only Hero can see his hole cards, right?

But, damn, the Universe gives the bestest rivercard ever to make some move! but unfortunately Hero didn't see an Ax and, oops, wasn't happy at all.


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

st1ckman is actually a good player.. his table selection is off the hook . i couldn't help but laugh at what you wrote

I dont find #1 as bad as #2 (i wanted to bet the turn) ..


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

The river barrel in the first hand doesn't look bad at all.

1.) Better hands can fold (small pairs see 3-4 overcards and a triple barrel on a dry board).
2.) Worse hands can call (A high on the theory that they are too strong to fold).

These points usually require two different opponents, or the same one at different times, but yeah, I think you can profitably make this bet on this board if you know why you do it (to bluff or for value). Betting and folding to a raise is probably better than checking and calling if you have ruled out checking and folding. He is not going to bet worse hands for value. He might check back better hands (like 33). But, if that is you read, then checking and folding comes into play. That is, unless he bluffs one hell of a lot with his absolute trash, in which case, checking and calling is again a viable play.

Game theory probably has an idea about what to to (you have here the nut non-paired hand in a 3-bet pot oop), but this spot (OOP OTR) is quite sensitive to the behavior of your opponent, so that whatever game theory advocates might often be sub-optimal.

/Johan = :f_confused:


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

1) I would not mind to bet this hand sometimes as a bluff against A4 AA2 and the small pocketpairs but the way you described your opponent, i don't think he's ever gonna fold a pair and he's also more likely to have hands like QJ JT and all those gutshot type of hands that have either made the straight or improved to a pair and you won't achieve foldequity against his pairs so c/f is the best line

2) With no reads it's just too close. If you'd know he'd probably checkraise all his 7x oesd type of hands and also x2 type of hands, you could be raising for value but he could have check/called 7 as well as 2x or he does have some bluff that's gonna fold anyway. Just call the River, what if he 3bets? you don't have a read and you won't feel well by raise/call , neither by raise/fold. :)


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