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Originally posted by MisterSnS

Yep. But hey, see the positive side on it, you learned to fold next time in such a spot. ;) And 6 Buyin's isn't the world. Be aware to not get tilted by bad results, they will happen once in a while = the most normal thing in poker.

Hey thanks for your kind words. I just hate being stuck, I want to see progress and that´s the problem... That´s why I am temporary tilted till the end of that day. Because I failed and I´m not satisfied with myself and I don´t know what to do about it. I just know that I´m going to try it once more. Diligence is the mother of good fortune.


I would call preflop wide, because of his low CB, I wouldn´t try to bluff him off mediocre hands, except on very drawy board. He likes hero-calls. I wouldn´t 3bet him with hands like KJ, because he sometimes likes to click back and I don´t want to do leveling shit anymore, I would 3bet him only with monsters and bluffs in 2:3 ratio or maybe 1:1.
I wouldn´t cbet with third and second pairs much, because of his relatively low BOP...
I would call his 3bets wide, because of his low CB %. I would attack his few limps, especially shallow. I would checkraise him 2 pairs+, I think that TPGK is pretty thin and TPTK is close. He is very tricky and sometimes check-back TP, that means his Cbet range is weak, but it is so low. I really don´t know, how should I play my draws... Maybe donkbetting flop isn´t bad idea.


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Day 13
Tilt is away, I was playing pure A-game. I didn´t dare to play 15´s, maybe tomorrow I will give it a shot. I still do lot of errors, but I feel that lot of spots are more and more casual. And that´s nice, experiences are important. I won´t complete number of hands per week, but that´s because when I had to do some amount, I was tilting, bored etc... I want to definetely coach my beginners friends, because they will improve for free and I will be sure at basics. After workout I was talking for an hour with my friend about Song of ice and fire (Game of Thrones)... It might be waste of time, but I love those novels and I can´t reject anybody who has read all books.
Tomorrow I will do some sprints to hill and then I should do weekly review etc...

What are girls all about :) That´s why I borrow them to somebody else for now.


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Day 14

Today was great. Sprints to the hill were awfull, I almost puked. I remember I´ve got way much better stamina last year. I decided I´ve to do sprints more often. That means I will have to exercise two times a day. Like in good old times :) Then I wanted to give sweet session to my friend. But my desktop broke down, blue death and other crap. We had to play on Netbook, I realised how it is difficult to play without HUD, just to remember how often does 3bets etc... I gave him homework and sent him home. Then i had to study on 11 inches (not funny :/). I was trying to fix the desktop for 2 hours and when I was helpless It started working, but I think just temporary. I did some logs and posted it on antivirus forums. I´ve got one of my best session. I was playing A-game, didn´t care about suckouts etc... In the end I finished third-fourth in HuP KO. Nice boost for my br, sounds like trying 15´s once again.
I will play it more low variance (because of super KO), lot of fishes, quicker levels.

Weekly review:
I played 9000 hands this week. I wanted to do 10k, but I thought I will be able to two-tabling which has showed –EV. So I guess 10k next week. I improved my HUD (originally by Gordon) and it helps me attacking their limps, to do better barells, easy folds to their barells etc.. I´m lazy to look in popups. I will think about adding even more stats, but main problem is sample size. Sometimes I´m adjusting maybe little bit more than I should.
The biggest lesson from this week is to fold to river raises!!! Until they prove me wrong, I shouldn´t level myself. I´m still deciding between HU mastermind and NL 50 broll. HU mastermind is close, but I don´t know, if it is useful for 75 bb deep HUSNGs. I feel that grinding every day is becoming habit. I still got that fear before sitting behind tables. But it disappears quicker than before. And I have to learn when I have even 30 minutes to grind, I should try it. Instead of reading articles, blogs.


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tadcka
Joined: 29.07.2011

GO GO GO!
Daily updates are good for motivation, because at the end of the day, you don't want to disappoint your followers, so keep it up! I'm following your blog, don't disappoint me _cool:


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Originally posted by tadcka
GO GO GO!
Daily updates are good for motivation, because at the end of the day, you don't want to disappoint your followers, so keep it up! I'm following your blog, don't disappoint me _cool:

Hey, thank you :) Mainly I can´t dissapoint myself... I see you got same goal as me, definitely will subscribe to your blog.

Another exploiting through HUD:
Stats are:
Limp/Steal
Limp-fold/Limp-reraise (I think I should add something like Limp-call shove)
Call steal/3bet
Fold to 3bet/ 4bet
Cbet flop/Cbet turn/Fold to flop cbet/Fold to turn cbet
Donk bet flop/ Fold to donk bet
Check-raise flop/ Check-raise turn/ Fold to check-raise on the flop
Bet in position when missed cbet/ Bet out of position when missed cbet
Aggr factor / went to showdown


Call his steals quite tight, but because of his low cbet still wide, I will get more equity, so I guess connected/suited hands are better than K5o, Q6o etc... I would 3bet him weighted more towards value hands, because of his tight stealing range and high WTSD and low FCB OTT (0). I would minraise 90% - 95% hands, because 3bets quite a bit and when he hits, he can´t fold (high WTSD). I would fold a lot to his cbets. I would checkraise him TPGK+ (low fold to check-raise), I still can´t figure out what his donks mean. He loves check-raising the turn even with second pairs... so I finally found a reason, why cbetting with OE and FD is worse than checking back and I can definitely check back also 2nd pair and maybe even weak TP, because of his low BOP and then I can do some thin value bets, he loves hero-calling. I´ve forgotten I should start donkbetting TP+ and draws, I don´t want to give him card for free with enough equity.


I should minraise or 2,5x 100%. I wouldn´t mind calling his steals widely, 3bet only with value range, I would add there (KT, AT, QJ). I would fold to his 3bets a lot. I would call a lot his cbets, because of 0% cbet OTT (might be sample size). I would also check-raise him with gutshots (again low sample size :/) and I think I should donkbet turns with stronger value range, I don´t want to give him river for free... I should cbet only nuts (TP+, monster draws like nut fd) and air... And when he calls, It caps his range so much I should 3barell on solid streets. But I have to keep in mind, that he got high WTSD, so he loves hero-calling. Again it could be sample size, but I´m trying to adjust all the time.


Next time I´m going to attack his limps a lot. It looks like trash range.
I don´t how much should I call to his steals, I would love to get note something like doesn´t cbet 2nd, 3rd pair. Then I could call pretty wide and when he cbet and I call with something (atleast 3rd pair) I should call almost every turn, because of his high turn cbet (80%). I don´t know what his donkbets mean, I would have to get empirical evidence. I should check-raise him only with value (TPGK+, 2nd pair+fd etc...) I really don´t know what to do with 2nd pairs and third pairs on flop and also on the turn. He check-raises sometimes, but also his BOP is high, but not high enough to call down 3rd pair two streets :/ I should barell air a lot, but he got high WTSD (I guess It was because of limped pots).

I think about adding showdown hands and what do I learn from it and should I adjust. I´m trying to do it verbally every day, but I think It could help others also. I can´t wait to HU mastermind, I still don´t know a lot of things and how to adjust, but it will come. Also I hate people, who are tricky, but hopefully they are only minority of players. I´m tricky aswell, but not like a retarded fish, but I like to be moving target, adjusting to every move they do. And I have to get rid of leveling, they are going to do it for me.


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Day 15
Yay! I already did 15 days, I´m getting used to it.
I´m pissed again, I wanted to play for another 3 hours, but I just can´t. I can´t change it, I just want to write down my feelings, because I want to laugh someday about this. Why is variance so fuckin retarded? Whenever I try to play 15´s, variance says no.
I´ve got edge against them, maybe against some regs it is BE, but I don´t think it should be more difficult than 7´s. But then I can´t win coinflips, I´m running into their top range. I can live with that, but I just hate playing against bluffy donk. I didn´t hit like 50 flops in row against one player, his fold to cbet was 15% on flop, 0% on turn. He was so annoying and when I showed weakness he started overbetting and overshoving. So easy to exploit him. Well if I just could. At start I just said: It´s okay, I have to flop something and I will get his stack. Then I started losing chips slowly and I was fine, then I won A6s to A3o preflop (he called my 4bet shove with A3o, his 3bet was 31%) 50 bb deep. We rematched and then hell came. That guy played 90% on BB, but when I got AA he instantly folded, same with QQ. That didn´t tilt me at all. Post flop game did. I was fighting and playing A game to survive. I just couldn´t stand it so long. In the end as usual as today I openshoved with A3o to QQ (12 bb deep, 50/100). I said enough. I would rather study about poker 20 hours than playing against that retard. And I don´t really know, why I wrote this, because normally I would just thought how to exploit him. I´ve got my archenemy!!!

I´m going to take short break and then I´m going to do session review, also I´m going to play with equilab for while. Tomorrow I´m going to try play 15´s again. I can´t imagine I wouldn´t be able beat those limits. Maybe I´m too much results oriented and I have to play atleast 500 tournaments to make conclusions. EV says I should be +

Wish me luck, guys!


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Day 16
Hello guys, today was pretty fine, it is becoming routine. I´m getting used to it. I´m looking forward to MicroMillions... it is entertaining to spew chips on 0,11 R :-D
and also my BFF is going to have birthday party next week. I´m going to play earlier and when I will have my tasks done, I´ll go try to socialize. It is going to be pretty difficult, I´ve almost forgotten how to talk with people. My mum thinks I´m becoming kinda weird. I don´t wonder

How should I adjust?:

Preflop: call tighter but there is still room for calling (low cbet), minraise/2,5x 100%, 3bet sometimes with bluffs, but mainly only for value (53% steal), call 3bets relatively wide (low cbet)
Postflop: fold easily to cbets, x/r only with value (TPTK+), cbet 100%, fold easily to x/r


Preflop: call wide, steal 90% 2,5x - 3x (lower fold to cbet, sometimes donks), 3bet value : bluff 1 : 2, fold to 3bets easily
Postflop: I really don´t know what to say about postflop, I would mainly need empirical evidences... I´ve got it on pokerstars client, but I´m to lazy to find it
What range he donks, what calls cbets, if there is possibility to barell
What range he cbets etc... checkraise only for value (TPGK+)


Preflop: Call steals relatively wide, mainly suited connected hands, I will see lot of rivers for free if not turns. 3bet value : bluff 1 : 2
I really don´t know what is better... 2,5x 100% or 2x 100%... Low WTSD, high fold to cbet, but high 3bet
Postflop: Barell, barell, barell
checkraise only for value (TPGK+), or maybe donk with those cards on turn
I would also need to find out what he cbets with... this guy ain´t bluffing, so I can make easy folds :)

Inventing scenarios:
If:
I see guy not cbetting 2nd pair, 3rd pair or A-high or somehow trapping with nuts by checkbacking and his cbet % is still high I can check-raise him really light as a bluff, but It also depends on his stealing range, board texture, his fold to check-raise, AF etc...
I see guy 3x with his stronger part of range, I can 3bet bluff him more against his min-raises... I hate this one... When we are shallow (20 bb deep) and I´ve got A7s and he 3x and I know that there will probably be AQ or AK and I still shove :X
I see villain slowplaying on paired board with trips and then he check-raises his range is mostly air - or that pair... With air I try to 3bet bluff, with pair / trips I let him bluff / get it in
When I see villain bluffing busted draws I´m calling lightly and vice versa
When I see villain turning his value hands into bluffs, I write note that he is fish and I don´t know how to adjust to this... I can do easier folds with A-high, 4th pair, because he might be "bluffing" 3rd pair. But it is too general.

Good night!


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Day 17
Today I ended earlier, because of coming tilt... Once again and I hope for the final time... People don´t bluff the river by raising... I´m stupid leveling fish!!!
I really have to do something different for atleast an hour or two.


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Shikamaru917
Joined: 10.04.2010

Hello Matysek,

awesome results :f_thumbsup: But why are u in english community and not in slovak/cech ? :) I hope that u will be blogging also there :f_cool:

Anyways, good luck, I will follow your blog and will hope I will see also in our community :)


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Day 17

Originally posted by Shikamaru917
Hello Matysek,

awesome results :f_thumbsup: But why are u in english community and not in slovak/cech ? :) I hope that u will be blogging also there :f_cool:

Anyways, good luck, I will follow your blog and will hope I will see also in our community :)

Hello and thank you, I don´t know, I´m maybe bit too lazy to write blog in two languages. I really need to improve my english and also Gordon doesn´t speak czech. :) I don´t visit czech community, am I missing a lot of things? :)

I´m running kinda hot. I don´t have time to write down my thoughts. Still have to do plenty of things. Tomorrow I will post all villains over 100 hands.
And will do 15 inventing scenarios.

See you guys!


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Adjusting through HUD:


Preflop: Call wide, steal 2,5x - 3x 90% - 100% hands, 3bet value : bluff 1 : 3
fold to his 3bets
Postflop: Be relatively tight to his cbets, check-raise only for value (TPGK+), cbet a lot... his range is super wide on flop / turn... with weaker showdown holdings we can easily check back the turn, because his BOP is low and therefore we can do simple folds / checkbacks... A - high, third, fourth pairs... but be aware that he can be slowplaying (0 check-raise flop) => snap fold to his turn/river raise or some weird donkbet.


Preflop: his limp = monster, 3bet bluff him a lot until he adjusts, call only good holdings, because he is so aggresive... open 2x 80% maybe even less, instantly shove every ace, low PP, suited king preflop (even 75 bb deep)... 4bet light for value (after 3bet he can´t fold to 4bet non-allin)
Postflop: never fold 2nd pair + to his 3 barells, he can do weird lines, simply don´t make big folds against this guy, check-raise him light for value, but I have to still keep some strong hands in calling range (Yes, against this guy I have to balanced! ), because he could 3 barell me even more profitably
But the main point is... don´t play against this guy. I´ve got edge, but he is increasing variance insanely.


Preflop: Steal 100% 2x, 3bet mainly as a bluff, with monsters I would rather suggest only calling and then x/r flop or db flop, call wide his 3bets
Postflop: with draws rather call than raise (free river), x/r TPGK+, cbet 100%, he can make big folds (low WTSD) barell with polarised range, because of low BOP we can see free showdowns with A-high, fourth pairs...


Preflop: call his steals with standard range, 3bet only for value, call his 3bets wide, steal 2x 100%
Postflop: I don´t know why I didn´t x/r him even once, try it out, call his cbets with value hands, fold some weaker holdings on turn... his calling range PFR is tight... so don´t even try to cbet boards like QT8, K98 etc... better boards are AXX and low boards... in 3bet pots I could try line x/r as a bluff


Preflop: rather 3bet than call preflop, steal 100% 2x - 2,5x
Postflop: cbet almost 100%, I might try to checkback A-high, 3rd pair maybe even 2nd pair and then maybe call his turn bet, don´t barell with air only if really great board runnout comes, but remember his range is tight!
With draws rather raise then call his cbets


Preflop: rather 3bet than call, attack his limps, open 100% 2,5x (i´m still exploting him... I risk 40 chips to steal 30... 40/70... it has to work 57% of the time => he plays back only 41%... when I would 2x I would lost value when I hit, because he will pay me off)
Postflop: with draws rather raise then call, call with big hands... cbet only TP+ and stack off.. checkback weak fd, OE, 2nd pairs, 3rd pairs etc...
give up air (or bet turn and then river)...


Preflop: 3bet > call (keep in mind low steal %), steal 100000%, fold to his 3bets (my edge is somewhere else, I can easily turn on another table than fighting him slightly Ev+ spots)
Postflop: cbet dry boards, once again his range is so tight... cbetting 2 mid- high (Q9, J8, KT) card is -EV... check-raise him TPGK+
posflop game with him is low sample-size...


Preflop: Call his steals tightly, attack his limps only for value, try bigger sizings, steal only 80% - 90%... I guess 75 bb deep 2,5x is going to be best, then simply minraising
Postflop: fold to his cbets easily, except on some weird boards I can play back... his range is so tight => strong... what could he have on 765 etc... except overcards + overpairs (might be a big mistake, have try it out)
cbet 100%, barell a lot with polarised range... I can easily fold on river with 3rd pair if he leads...

I procrastinated with this task for 3 days and it is hell!!! I have to write 15 more inventing scenarios... :X


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Shikamaru917
Joined: 10.04.2010

Hey, ofc u are missing a lot :f_cool: U don't need to blog in our community, but it will be nice to see your comments there Also u are missing lot of promotions and all this stuff :)

I hope I will see you there, anyways good luck, I will follow you here for sure :f_cool:


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So you are actually makeing $$ 10k+ a day at those limits?


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Day 19

Originally posted by scett
So you are actually makeing $$ 10k+ a day at those limits?

Lol, hell no It is in chips... 1500 chips = 1 buyin...

I love Micromillions... I´ve played against worst players in my life. I have to take a break, do session review (definitely not from today, I really don´t want to know if going against those fishes allin was better on turn or river ).
I have to also post 15 inventing scenarios and do hell of other stuff... Also I´ve got 6k hands, so I have to play tomorrow and day after tomorrow another 2k hands.


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Inventing scenarios:
When I see some kind of reggish guy 3bet jamming over 30 bb, I start calling with QJs, JTs, 98s etc...
Board KT9fd turn:A completed fd river:3 offsuit
If he calls 3 streets with Txo/9xo => calling station
If he calls 3 streets with QJo, sets => slowplaying, barelling is not going to be so EV+, but his raising range is weaker
If he calls 3 streets with weak flush => his raising range is somehow weaker
If I see villain checking back on those board on flop => turn is going to be overbet and river is going to be really big bet and yes I´m very balanced in this spot... Their range is 2nd pair–
If I see villain checking back on those board on flop with nuts => I adjust... only playing there combo draws / nuts => his cbetting range is weaker so I can attack it easily... and I don´t know, but I don´t feel well stacking there with TP some middle kicker
If I see villain quickly folding on paired boards => I can write note "honest" and then I can do there easy folds until he proves me wrong
If I see villain quickly folding on monotone boards => I can write note "honest" and then I can do there easy folds until he proves me wrong
If I see villain 3 barell bluffing => I can make easier calls
If I see villain check-minraising me on flop with air => I make big note, because I consider it as a nuts on my "Stakes"
If I see villain check-minraising me on on turn with air => I make big note, because I consider it as a nuts on my "Stakes" => when they prove me wrong I start clicking back with air and calling with value
This one knows every fish but I´m using it aswell (because I´m fish) If I see villain shallow attacking my limps a lot => I limp with monster
If I see villain raise/calling wide shallow => I stop restealing with hands that can do great things on flops... K7, JT, QT
If I see villain after he 3bets on middle board shoving I´m snap calling with any pair => it is Ax 99% of the time
If I see villain verbally attacking me after some bad beat and he starts playing aggresively => Note: fish that can be tilted


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Day 20

Today another fish fest was there. I wanted to play Saturday duel, but because I ran like a shit last 700 hands, I started tilting and now I´m going for a walk. Tomorrow I have to play 2040 hands to do 10 k... I´m going to do homeworks after or tomorrow.

See you, guys.


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Day 21
Yesterday instead of a walk I went to a bar with my "friends". I couldn´t stand with them more than 30 minutes. They are so pathetic... Girls were talking as usual about other people. I hate this. I don´t care about gossips, tabloids... They got so boring lifes so they have to talk about other people.
And I´m also to very good friend of mine. He was exchange student in USA for one year. We were skyping quite a bit. He swore he won´t ever drink alcohol, smoke weed again. Long story short: He resisted for a while, but people affect other people. I´m so glad, that I cut them off. My biggest problem so far is to wake up at 8:00 am. I also finally found out what I´m going to be hedonist in. It is not going to be wasting time in bars. I like exclussive meals, hiking, cars and also books.

Weekly review:
I´ve got one third of the challenge behind. I think I can´t make it without some days off (without poker). I did 10k hands and I really don´t like how. I´m not going to have hands goal anymore. It is dumb... I did quantity over quality... I had to play whole days... I like studying more than playing. Sometimes I´m bored, sometimes I´m pissed and become tilting. But I knew that I have to play and it was even more tilting. I like it more when I don´t have strict goals. I´ve got priorities and I can´t do any sidetracking.
I realised how I hate playing those aggresive fishes... They are calling stations and aggresive donks in one person. I know it is more EV plus than playing regs, but exploiting people who know, what they are doing is so much entertaining. Against those fishes is so easy to play. I´m like autopiloting... Did I hit anything on flop? No? Check / fold... it is useless even to cbet on board A22 they are floating with 63o... you know, they´ve got backdoors. I really don´t know why I complain here. Maybe because it is boring. Next week I´m going rather: study > play. I´ve already got br for playing 30´s. So maybe I try playing there or I´m going to withdraw and buy HUmastermind... Also I have to give more coachings to my friends... I have started already giving them homeworks. But the most important thing is I feel progress!!! With every hand I´m quicker in thinking, more experienced what to do. I started picking up some lines. I´ve still got thousand of leaks, but who hasn´t?

Good night, guys! :)


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Malykzaek
Joined: 20.07.2010

That's one of the awesomest blog I ever wrote!
Keep blogging,please :)

They are so pathetic... Girls were talking as usual about other people. I hate this. I don´t care about gossips, tabloids... They got so boring lifes so they have to talk about other people.

Yes... the sadly truth is, they are everywhere, and much boys do the same. Actually I quit my all relations with "friends" like that and I fell so much better person. I mean, dont feel guilty when you feel better then them, thats absolutely normal /I guess /

Regards, Atanas


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

YESSS, keep it up! ;)


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Day 22
Today I played only for 4 hours and I did other things related to poker another 4 hours... Well today I was really desperate, I couldn´t win even with AA. Every board got great runout, against me. :) I didn´t tilt... Only I was pissed by some Czech player who sat with me and started abusing me. I blocked him after few seconds, but I am ashamed for my nation. I started minraising (75bb deep) as a default. I might be losing some value, but in those times full of donks I´m saving my chips quite a bit. And they are calling station, so I can get there whole stack anyway.
Tomorrow I´m going to post useful hands, not just crying ones.

Suckout! Backdoor deuces :P I shoved because people love to level

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PokerStars - Hold'em Tournament - $10/20 Blinds - 2 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

BTN: $1,320
BB: $1,680

Pre-flop: Dealt to BTN A♦ A♥
BTN raises to $40, BB raises to $100, BTN raises to $220, BB calls $120

Flop: ($470) Q♦ 6♥ 9♥ (2 Players)
BB checks, BTN bets $260, BB raises to $560, BTN raises to $1,100 and is all-in, BB calls $540

Turn: ($2,930) 2♠ (2 Players)

River: ($2,930) 2♣ (2 Players)

BB Showed 2♦ A♠
BTN Showed A♦ A♥
BB Showed
BB wins $2,640 with three of a kind, Deuces

Tilted calling station and table sheriff in one person. Flop sizing si so small, because I´m not scared of anything and it is such dry flop It should be somehow bigger. Turn might be bigger, river shove would do again. He would call me even with 2x because I must be bluffing there.

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PokerStars - Hold'em Tournament - $10/20 Blinds - 2 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

BTN: $1,280
BB: $1,720

Pre-flop: Dealt to BB A♦ A♥
BTN raises to $44, BB raises to $120, BTN calls $76

Flop: ($240) A♣ 9♥ 2♠ (2 Players)
BB bets $100, BTN calls $100

Turn: ($440) 6♥ (2 Players)
BB bets $240, BTN calls $240

River: ($920) 5♦ (2 Players)
BB bets $820, BTN calls $820 and is all-in
BB Showed A♦ A♥
BTN Showed 4♦ 3♣
BTN wins $2,560 with a straight, Deuce to Six


Preflop: Minraise 100%, call 3bets somehow tight, he is quite aggresive and also likes to trap. Fold to his steals a lot, try to 3bet all those hands which are on the bottom of calling range... And here I can´t take numbers seriously, I remember he insta called my 3bet with some trash, but then he 4x folded my 3bet shove.
Postflop: Cbet only TPGK+, give-up air, A-high, 2nd pair might be call on turn, but his range is so tight. Don´t bluff this guy. OOP play with tighter range, don´t try to float.


Preflop: Minraise 80%, maybe even less. 3bet only with value range... Call really wide, because of his low cbet.
Postflop: According to stats when he cbets flop he has to have something, because he is barelling turn every single time => don´t float, also I can make easier folds with mediocre hands. Donkbet with strong draws, maybe even TPGK+... Don´t try to barell him off made hands, but still barell good runouts, he has to have lot of air on turn. I can consider checkbacking the turn with draws (high turn x/r). I have to find what his donks means and then I should adjust how much should I barell etc...

Inventing scenarios:
Sorry If I am going to repeat something.
If I see villain bluffing the river by raising I make huge note. People simply don´t bluff in that spot. I can do there really big folds. Oh shit, now everybody will find me and start using it against me.
If I see regular villain turn cbetting only half pot. It usually means some mediocre hand, which doesn´t want to call big river bet. => turn raise or big river donk
If I see fish donking mindonking flop / turn. It usually means draws / 2nd pair-. The problem is I really don´t know how to fold them out when you got nothing. Only some of them are folding to another big barell on turn / river.


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