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GingerKid
GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007
Posts: 4,913
21.09.2014, 23:09

partypoker - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.07, PFR: 16.90, 3Bet Preflop: 7.45, Hands: 12,208)
SB: 157.87 BB (VPIP: 59.65, PFR: 21.05, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 57)
BB: 68.93 BB (VPIP: 17.50, PFR: 11.50, 3Bet Preflop: 1.35, Hands: 204)
UTG: 206.71 BB (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
Hero (MP): 157.67 BB
CO: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 23.00, PFR: 18.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.93, Hands: 2,984)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ K♣

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 2 players) 5♠ A♠ 7♥
SB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, SB calls 10 BB

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) 3♦
SB bets 29.45 BB, Hero calls 29.45 BB

River: (89.9 BB, 2 players) T♣
SB checks, Hero bets 65.17 BB, fold

Spoiler

Hero wins 152.07 BB

Is pot bet ok, because I think if he has SD value he never folds to first bet? Turn is interesting but imo I cant fold. river size ok, I am not sure even what hands are calling but since he checks I guess my hand is good?


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double2
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Joined: 04.11.2008
Posts: 12,756
22.09.2014, 21:44

Hi G,

I don't like just the flat against the 3bet. Villain's range is not so strong that we can't 4bet for value.

Flop I guess potbetting is fine.

Turn, yeah, we are not fist pumping but we have to call. Villain's line doesn't look like a bluff at all, but he could do that for value with worse.

River I agree we have the best hand most of the time and villain is not folding hands like AJ/AQ.


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GingerKid
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22.09.2014, 22:34

I was told by some other coathes (forgot who exactly because it was few months ago) in such spot vs agro fish that it is better to flat and use better stack:pot ratio and postflop skills, because AK will miss mostly and vs agro fish it will not be that easy to win the pot when I miss. And if I just call and hit, will very often win big pots vs him. So I am not sure, maybe I missinterpreted what they said, or forgot.
Can you please ask for other opinion? It is not that I dont respect your opinion, just got confused with different opinions and it is ok to hear more opinions imo.


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lnternet
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Joined: 19.06.2012
Posts: 334
23.09.2014, 01:48

Depends how aggro the aggro fish is :)

If you 4bet aggro fish, he will almost always call. If you are confident getting AK to showdown unimproved on most boards, 4bet for value is best. If not, then don't.

Example:
Hero 4bet to 15bb (big because he will call anyway)
Vill calls

Flop Th7s4s
Vill check
Hero check

Turn 2c
Vil bet potsize 30bb
Hero call

River 3h
Vil bet 50bb into 90bb
Hero call

If you think this is a good calldown, def 4bet pre. If you think this calldown is too loose, do not 4bet pre. Hope that makes sense :)

Flop good
Turn good
River bet tiny. I can't explain this well.. but I feel (experience I guess) that he folds very often to allin but will call 20bb always with some rivered pair or QQ


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GingerKid
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23.09.2014, 09:44

Thanks, it makes sense. I prefer still to call it. Even if he is bluff heavy still AK is just a bluff catcher and EV cant be so great.

On river i thought fish will call all ax and Tx anyway after all draws are busted.


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GingerKid
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23.09.2014, 09:44

Thanks, it makes sense. I prefer still to call it. Even if he is bluff heavy still AK is just a bluff catcher and EV cant be so great.

On river i thought fish will call all ax and Tx anyway after all draws are busted.


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