Overpair 3way

I want to get some other opinions too. I feel like this is not going anywhere. We have an overpair, playing multiway vs assumed fish who could be easily slowplaying sets and quite unknown tight guy. Do we have so much value here that we can play for stacks? Do we have 3 streets of value? I think maybe not but thin valuebet could work, we get value from weaker hands and if someone raises we can happily fold. This is just basic strategy imo. I'm not scared that we will lose always when we have AA. It is just that we don't necessarily have the best hand and betting small is a better strategy. I don't know how this discussion went to rational and irrational fears and intuitions. Not wanting to bet/call because I will be committed indicates only that our hand strength in this spot is not good enough, not that I'm afraid.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. You can bet big in this kind of spots and I will keep on betting small.

In fact, we bf river not because we are scared but because no weaker hand will raise us.

Originally posted by la55i
I want to get some other opinions too. I feel like this is not going anywhere. We have an overpair, playing multiway vs assumed fish who could be easily slowplaying sets and quite unknown tight guy. Do we have so much value here that we can play for stacks? Do we have 3 streets of value? I think maybe not but thin valuebet could work, we get value from weaker hands and if someone raises we can happily fold. This is just basic strategy imo. I'm not scared that we will lose always when we have AA. It is just that we don't necessarily have the best hand and betting small is a better strategy. I don't know how this discussion went to rational and irrational fears and intuitions. Not wanting to bet/call because I will be committed indicates only that our hand strength in this spot is not good enough, not that I'm afraid.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. You can bet big in this kind of spots and I will keep on betting small.

Guys, too many words and I lost what do you want...

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by la55i
I want to get some other opinions too. I feel like this is not going anywhere. We have an overpair, playing multiway vs assumed fish who could be easily slowplaying sets and quite unknown tight guy. Do we have so much value here that we can play for stacks? Do we have 3 streets of value? I think maybe not but thin valuebet could work, we get value from weaker hands and if someone raises we can happily fold. This is just basic strategy imo. I'm not scared that we will lose always when we have AA. It is just that we don't necessarily have the best hand and betting small is a better strategy. I don't know how this discussion went to rational and irrational fears and intuitions. Not wanting to bet/call because I will be committed indicates only that our hand strength in this spot is not good enough, not that I'm afraid.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. You can bet big in this kind of spots and I will keep on betting small.

Guys, too many words and I lost what do you want...

Kind of same thing here.. ♦

TLDR: I want to bet smaller so I can fold to a raise because no worse hands raise us as you said. Kriko92 thinks that thinking about being committed and having to call villains raise is irrelevant and is based on rational or irrational fears.. I kind of lost him at some point. I basically said that bet small so we are not committed and he is trying to argue why being committed doesn't matter..

Originally posted by la55i
TLDR: I want to bet smaller so I can fold to a raise because no worse hands raise us as you said. Kriko92 thinks that thinking about being committed and having to call villains raise is irrelevant and is based on rational or irrational fears.. I kind of lost him at some point. I basically said that bet small so we are not committed and he is trying to argue why being committed doesn't matter..

Sorry, seems like I failed at explaining. I thought you agreed that bet/calling when commited isn't worse than bet/folding but you still wanted to avoid bet/calling for some reason and that's what I tried to address with the fears thing (and maybe fear is not the correct word).

I never said I wanted to bet/call here. I'd bet big (3/4) and fold to a raise because I don't think we would be commited at all. This is just an assumption though and I don't want to argue about assumptions, they aren't that important. I care more about whether the thought processes make sense and that's why I was writing about commitedness as an argument in general and not about the specific hand. I'm fine with betting small because you think that maximizes value. I'm fine with not wanting to bet/call AA because you think it is too weak to call off the raise. I just don't agree with not wanting to bet/call AA because it is good enough to call the raise (=because you'll be commited after you bet).

I don't think I have anything more to say about that and I probably wrote too much anyway. Thank you for the discussion

Yea no problem. I might have misunderstood you at some point but this was a fun discussion anyway It is true that we might be able to bet/fold even if we bet bigger. Depends on pot and stack sizes and villains possible range etc.. You might be right here. Now I'm just too tired and my brain doesn't work so I'm going to bed..