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J9s w/ difficult Turn decision

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GragasBro
Joined: 02.08.2015

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 198.6 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (SB): 344.6 BB
BB: 108.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
UTG: 76.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 110.6 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 174.4 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♣ 9♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) Q♦ 8♥ 6♣
Hero checks, BB bets 9.2 BB, Hero calls 9.2 BB

Turn: (36.4 BB, 2 players) 8♣
Hero checks, BB bets 19.2 BB, Hero raises to 49.2 BB, BB raises to 90.4 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 41.2 BB

River: (217.2 BB, 2 players) J♥

Spoiler

Hero shows J♣ 9♣ (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Pre 51%, Flop 17%, Turn 0%)
BB shows 6♠ 6♥ (Full House, Sixes full of Eights)
(Pre 49%, Flop 83%, Turn 100%)
BB wins 208.2 BB

So my questions are:

- What do you think about the turn semibluff raise?
- I think I get the correct odds calling his shove, how would you define his range there?
- Would you fold this hand to a 3bet preflop?

Greetings


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What do you think about your preflop play?


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GragasBro
Joined: 02.08.2015

I feel confident in my postflop playing ability to an extent that i can call this 3bet, since the hand flops very well and i have big implied odds


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Most of the time you will flop weak pair or draw. Pot will be big... and you are OOP.

As played, board is paired and you can just call the turn.


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GragasBro
Joined: 02.08.2015

Maybe youre right, also im oop. I guess i love those hands a bit too much.

On which turn cards would you consider a semibluff raise?


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LuckyLucianooo
Joined: 05.08.2010

Yes he is right. You can semi bluff raise on cards that dont pair the board. Semi bluff raise is bad idea at all because you risk fold ton of equity if the villian reraise. Next time just call


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

T+


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GragasBro
Joined: 02.08.2015

Okay thanks for the quick replies :f_drink:

Would you even raise on an Ace on the turn?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

No... :)


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GragasBro
Joined: 02.08.2015

what did you mean by T+ then? Im confused...


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

K-T


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LuckyLucianooo
Joined: 05.08.2010

It's bad idea to raise turn with marginal hands oop


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by GragasBro
Would you even raise on an Ace on the turn?

I play the hand very similar apart from raising-goin all in on a card pairing the board. Ace hits at least 50% of bb's blind war range.


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bukacz
Joined: 08.03.2009

Am only I see this that you played here like a giant fish ? Preflop It's all day all night long fold, you have no notes and no hands on him and you are playing on range 88+ ATs+ JTs+. Most hands you are behind or dominated.

Postflop, it's good line on turn, but what is your line by calling flop ? If there is not fd on turn you would x/r on blank ?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

No, it is not just you. I already wrote about that. :)


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Fonsy181
Joined: 01.01.2014

You have 21% equity on the turn against a QQ+,88,66,AQs+,KQs,AQo,KQo range. You are paying 3 to 1 odds (that´s 25%). It´s a fold.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would fold this hand pre-flop.
I'm not sure about calling OTF with gutshot and OTT there is no need to go crazy even if we improve a bit.
You said you called this pre because you feel confident in your postflop skills. Maybe you might want to re-think this. And even if your post-flop skills were super, I wouldn't call this hand vs unknown because you have no reads so you can't exploit this particular player.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

A note about preflop: Your best outcome is 100:6 < 20:1 when facing the 3-bet, i.e. less than you typically require to set mine in position. In other words, your implied odds suck for your hand and position.

The postflop plan can't be faulted completely. But its execution can. If you float flop and bluff on turn, you can't give him that good odds to call. Then calling his AI is a pure (but marginal) mathematical error.


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