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888 5$ 9-man turbo 30/60 A5o BU steal, HU-pot against donkbetting donkey

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BrunoFaiduttiFan
Joined: 01.12.2016

Alright the old well-known story once again. We face a donkey (32/0 stats) that makes a small min-donk on the flop. We know that donkeys love doing this with draws or weak hands...

In this spot I thought his range would consist of: 87, 75, 6x, 4x and random overcards... I do not like calling here because from my personal experience I can tell that the donkeys almost never stop mindonking once they have started. So if I had called, I would have faced yet another mindonk ott to which I then would have had to fold...

I was surprised when the donkey showed up with TPTK in this spot, cringed out of disgust and made a note on this particular donkey.

Do you think my flop-shove was reasonable here against a 32/0 donkey and its weak-looking donkbet?

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (7 Spieler) - Converter Tool from http://de.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

MP2 (t1,710)
CO (t2,710)
Hero (Button) (t1,705)
SB (t1,120)
BB (t1,480)
UTG (t3,195)
MP1 (t1,580)

Hero's M: 18.94

Preflop: Hero ist Button mit A, 5
4 folds, Hero raises t150, SB calls t120, 1 fold

Flop: (t360) 4, 6, 9 (2 Spieler)
SB bets t120, Hero raises t1,550, SB calls t845

Turn: (t2,290) K (2 Spieler)

River: (t2,290) K (2 Spieler)

Gesamt Pot: t2,290

Ergebnisse :

Spoiler

Hero hat A, 5 (one pair, Kings).
SB hat A, 9 (two pair, Kings and nines).
Ergebnis: SB gewinnt t2.33


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

He’s making it 2BB on the flop and looks indeed weak, but problem with donkeys that I don’t really want to take a variance line when we have an edge in the game. Also, we need a lot of fold equity to make a shove profitable and I expect you don’t have that in most cases and that’s why I would make a nitty fold most of the time or call 1 street on the flop.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Okkernootje
Joined: 02.09.2013

I really don't get the shove... Defo not needed imo. You will defo not fold out 9x and maybe not even 6x. Villain isn't good enough to know what we are repping with our shove. So against fish we just want to make less errors than they do themselves.

Pre is fine, fold flop and move on to a more profitable situation.


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BrunoFaiduttiFan
Joined: 01.12.2016

I have recently read through the strategy articles about postflop play here on pokerstrategy and there they clearly recommend to raise mindonks by fish in a heads up pot because they usually indicate weakness. I really didn't put him on a nine here...


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angalius
Joined: 10.11.2011

I think we have to put into consideration his stats that he never raises preflop, so any bets that are made against the preflop aggressor on the flop should be taken cautiously. Even if he is doing this with a trash hand, we can definitely fold and outplay this opponent on much better hands we are dealt later on. These players are easy to value bet against and we dont want to bash heads with these calling stations and try to out think them, they are short term players who come and go and try to make every session a winning one eventually losing on the long term.

By the way I added you here on pokerstrategy, are you willing to share some strategies, hands and thoughts ? I think we are very different players who could benefit from one another


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BrunoFaiduttiFan
Joined: 01.12.2016

I am absolutely willing to do so :) I have just accepted your friends request... Perhaps you can send me your skype ID so that we can get into even more detailed exchange and perhaps even play a few training sessions together.

Cheers. :f_drink:


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