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OESD 3 way in 3 bet pot

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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

888 Poker - $0.05 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 134.8 BB (VPIP: 19.19, PFR: 17.17, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 101)
Hero (SB): 132 BB
BB: 145.2 BB (VPIP: 13.04, PFR: 5.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
UTG: 66.6 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 209 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
CO: 62.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6♠ 7♠

fold, MP raises to 2.8 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB, BB raises to 13.2 BB, MP calls 10.4 BB, Hero calls 10.4 BB

Flop: (39.6 BB, 3 players) 5♦ 9♣ 4♠
Hero checks, BB bets 19.8 BB, MP raises to 39.6 BB,
Hero ??

Spoiler

raises to 118.8 BB and is all-in, fold, MP calls 79.2 BB

Turn: (297 BB, 2 players) A♥

River: (297 BB, 2 players) Q♠

MP wins 279.6 BB

Pre ok? What is the best play OTF?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I guess it is ok pre since you are a bit deep and MP called too.
OTF probably fold. Didn't calculate, but it must be close. You might have some implieds but if BB shoves on top you are in an awkward spot.

When I look at the spoiler. I think that is the worst move you can make. When villain raises multiway he is likely very strong. You probably have 0 fold equity here and you have only 8 outs.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

I wanted to get it in 3 way and I hoped for BB to call. If I call and BB shove thats for sure a call, but if he flats and turn brick that's the real awkward sopt :).
I agree with you that folding would probably have been better.


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antLrace
Joined: 13.03.2015

fold after mp raises, u could call if mp calls.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

We def cannot call here mw after the raise. You are way way behind and even if we hit, chances of being outdrawn are still pretty high.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Easy fold, you've got 18 % to hit the straight dude


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Preflop is ok when there is another caller.
Postflop is a fold. No odds.


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KatalonacX
Joined: 22.11.2013

Fold preflop, don't close the action, especially when nit 3-bet.
Postflop fold too (don't close the action), no need to gamble on this limits (especially deep stack).


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We are a little bit deep and we close the action preflop.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

First - 3bet preflop.

Second- as played call pre is OK.

Postflop - do not fold. You are not way, way behind .

Call and hope BB to stay in the hand. If he push and MP calls which he would do for sure you will have to call 80 for a total pot of 400 which gives you excellent odds. Here you can make calculations for different scenarios.
I don't like the pushing because this way you could make BB fold and you will have the same equity in the hand but with less money in the pot.

Even vs. their top, top range, equilab says you are good 28 % of the time.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 5d4s9c
Equity Win Tie
BU 59.99% 59.99% 0.00% { 99, 55-44 }
SB 28.29% 28.29% 0.00% { 7s6s }
BB 11.72% 11.72% 0.00% { JJ+, 99 }


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We cannot hope for anything.
How did you come up with these ranges?


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

What screw me up in that hand is the guy raising QQ OTF.. which I don't understand why he does so anyways. If he just have called I could have called too and I folded trun unimproved.

When I played I thought ok I have oesd, so 33% equity and there is a lot of dead money so if we go all in 3 way that makes it +EV.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Originally posted by nitrol
We cannot hope for anything.
How did you come up with these ranges?

What do you think the ranges are? It is not a hope it is a plan :) The hope is to have good outcome for us in this exact hand :) But we know what to do in any case, right?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You said: Call and hope BB to stay in the hand.
I think we should not hope postflop.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

OK. What do you think the ranges are?


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