who is bigger idiot? Hero or villain?

First I have to say that I know very little about tournament play.
I'm not sure why you 3bet UTG here with TT?
KJo might be a decent bluff 4bet shove especially when there is bubble pressure, I guess.

i 3bet bec i got him coverd and try to do pressure on his tourney life
he opens every hand, i am pretty ahead of vs his open range
vs loose player is good to 3bet bec let give us initiative and know where we stand....

but it would on this flop with the pre flat more likely to picked it up post

i read moormans book he adviced also to raise the stong pockets pre vs LAG...

Yea but from which positions? This is UTG vs UTG+1. 7 players behind.

Originally posted by pleasecallit
i 3bet bec i got him coverd and try to do pressure on his tourney life
he opens every hand, i am pretty ahead of vs his open range

I like the idea in principle. BUT: Villains stats are 40/40, and your 3-bet is too small. You have to 3-bet at least 4x Villains open. With your 3-bet you offer him the right pot-odds to call. Maybe you just wanna flat and play Villain post-flop?

TT is a solid hand but not a monster. Please note, that 7 other players behind you are still to act. UTG+1 is an awkward position, you will mostly play oop if another Villain decides to enter the pot too or even 4-bet.

UTG-Villain then 4-bets all-in with 30 BB and now it´s time to lay down this hand. Even though Villain is loose:

*no need to risk 30 or 40 BB on a good hand but not a monster
*also a maniac can hold a monster and it´s not sure that your TT is good here
*no need to jam 30 BB pre with TT (and at all!)

Your game was more emotional than rational. You played this hand emotionally (I can feel your emotions from here ;)).

I would suggest you to look at this hand a couple of days or weeks later and analyze it rationally again then.

with the emotional thing man your so right
i am maybe the crazyiest tilter
i tilted hard
but got in two days twice one outered on river and thats only the top of the icepeak

so i was pretty fucked up....and standing at the point where i give up but its my dream so if its not getting reality i am screwd

and i play just not good if i tilt like everyone of us and i tilt a lot...but its getting better...dont know i just dont work enough or just a fuckin amater...

with the risk and reward with this stack depth thats a great point i am just too aggressive sometimes and just hate small stacks i am for sure a better cash player but focused so much on mtt

i like your comment a lot i see your pretty experinced

but what i have to say the other stacks are irrelevant bec only one with 25 bb!! so it just like HU one could say.........

Originally posted by pleasecallit
with the emotional thing man your so right

lady, plz!

Look at the NASH ranges. I´m pretty sure that it´s unprofitable to risk more than 20 BB on TT.

hehe ok sorry
war nicht so aufmerksam sah nur dein Bild flüchtig wies heutzutage so is keiner hat mehr zeit^^ und da kahm mir kurz der Gedanke aber im Eifer des Gefechts ist der wohl auf der Strecke geblieben

ja wenn du was starten kannst mit ner Lerngruppe oder ähnliches ich bin dabei
if anyone wanna start learning group or so i am down with it

ja mit dem zucker ist gut wie dus machst schaue auch ein paar tage gar kein zucker zu mir zu nehmen weil im endeffeckt schwächt es die Leistung......
with the nash thing: he got only jj+ 6 combos*4=24 while he shoves like top <15% = 206 hands...thats not the worst spot...and this fukker shoves even wider as 15 percent....

equilab:
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Bin eine der wenigen Frauen hier / I´m one of the few women here, haha!

Ich hätte die Zehnen trotzdem nicht reingestellt, viel zu deep! Wouldn´t have jammed the tens - our stack is too deep for it.

First, I have moved your hand to the hand discussion board, because it’s fits better there.
Also, it’s smart to remove the outcome of the hand or put it in a spoiler.
Try to keep the discussion in English. Then everyone will understand you.

Don’t forget you have only 5 hands on him and that’s no sample to said he’s almost raising every hand, but I don’t think it’s too bad to 3bet in a spot like this, but then you need to gamble if he’s shoving on you as well.

Cheers,
SDK1987

I think your right to 3-bet, I actually think you are about right in 3 bet size (could be slightly larger), I use x2.75 in position and x3 OPP.
With TT its a difficult fold, you may be slightly ahead of his range but with about 40BB left its a fold, you can wait for better spots.
If you call his raise instead of 3 betting, and he has opened a lot, it leaves you open to squeeze play, where you again would have a difficult fold with TT.

I think his jam with KJo is loose and isn't something I would do, what are others thoughts on his jam is it a good play and something I should add to my game?

i think in general his shove i woulnd recommend its just too many BB i cant imagine you have that much fold equity to do this profitable....

i should rly go with the raisesize here a little larger i would bet in hintsight like 2.75x just to signal a diffrent situation because u want postflop play with the TT imo with theese positions because ranges look abit diffrent also its really important that iam with him the only noteable stackes besides the 25 bb stack

sure i got only 5 hands on him but he just abuse bubble in my opinion sure he will got a little heater... and he is risking too much this time it worked out for him and his shove could be slightly +Ev but u need rly optimistic eqations.... so if u do this with proper ranges he done -ev shove for sure

Originally posted by SDK1987
First, I have moved your hand to the hand discussion board, because it’s fits better there.
*nice, i apollogize was a bit lazy to find proper thread

Also, it’s smart to remove the outcome of the hand or put it in a spoiler.
*great point

Try to keep the discussion in English. Then everyone will understand you.
*was just exception, and translations were with it also german is nice language but ur right:)

Don’t forget you have only 5 hands on him and that’s no sample to said he’s almost raising every hand, but I don’t think it’s too bad to 3bet in a spot like this, but then you need to gamble if he’s shoving on you as well.

*jooo ur right but its just obvious he abuse bubble with this tide table.....the point of gambling for huge pot: i assume he will 4bet shove more under pairs as overpairs therefore i went for it ( my thoughts at this moment) he could also be a bit fucked up and shove therefore too loose...and if he got AA or may KK he wouldnt choose to shove (90% of the time for sure) it s just stupid as well as i 3bet fold hand before.....if he is rly competent i think he wont think: last hand i shoved this time i should as well; thats rather average logic as advanced logic/strategy imo

he wont call with KJ and play a awkward situation postflop so he shoves them so is his strategy to 4bet shove with all continue hands? i doubt it...last hand i 3bet fold therefore he is more likely to trap or 4bet call with AA and dont take the risk of me 3bet folding i think that shows his KJo bluff shove as well bec he credits me a lot of semi bluffs/ bluffs.......