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TT - 4bet shove - BTN vs SB/BB

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Netgames999
Joined: 12.11.2006

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

Hero (BTN): $2.30 (115 bb)
SB: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
BB: $2.47 (123.5 bb)
UTG: $2.16 (108 bb)
MP: $4.31 (215.5 bb)
CO: $4.78 (239 bb)

SB posts $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has T T
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.05, SB raises to $0.18, BB calls $0.16, Hero raises to $2.30 and is all-in, ...

SB and BB are both unknown. BBs call makes a shove somewhat juicy. TT doesn't play that well 3ways, even IP. SB can 3bet/fold and BB call/fold here often enough I think. Even if one of them calls, there is some dead money in the pot. All that let's me believe that a shove is a good option here.

What do you think? Is a shove good here?


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clovenhoofsdoom
Joined: 04.03.2016

As you mentioned, 3way TT doesn't do very well. BB can have JJ+ and Kind of slowplayed them, even AK is possible, his range is stronger than normal and you don't have any blockers, so I think it isn't the best move. Heads-up I think 4bet or shove is ok, 3handed I would just flatcall and hope to hit a decent flop.


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Netgames999
Joined: 12.11.2006

Originally posted by clovenhoofsdoom
...BB can have JJ+ and Kind of slowplayed them,...

I don't disagree, that he can have these hands. But is BB with hands like QQ or AK really that thrilled about me getting a good price and tagging along with Axs or some PPs. I think there are some medium/low PPs maybe some KQs type of hands in his range as well. During the hand my line of thinking was, that BB is either very nutty, like AA/KK or somewhat mediocre. Wouldn't you agree?


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CptJokerFish
Joined: 06.06.2017

SB has usually a wide 3bet range. People overfold vs. 4bets and the BB range is capped because he has just called.
So shoving cant be bad.


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clovenhoofsdoom
Joined: 04.03.2016

@netgames: yes from theoretical point of view I totally agree with you. If I continue this thought the question arises if a shove with TT vs a polarized range is +EV. The calculation is above my knowledge because each ranges influence each other.


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