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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Oh now I see how you got the combos.. I just thought that when SB calls a 3bb UTG open it would be weird to put hands like 53o,54o,65o,87o,97o in his calling range because really he should't have the suited versions either.

I'm not a professor but I can tell you that from the 64 combos you listed you gave villain at least 34-48 combos that really shouldn't be there.
Then you listed some AX hands that should either be folded or 3bet too.. So you listed total of 120 combos but I can say that max 20 combos of the listed really should be counted in his range.


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

I would fold OTT, i would put the villain on some PP or even hitting the flop with a random A5 or A7.


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PocketAcesJohn
Joined: 19.06.2008

So are there 8 combos of each of the hands listed below too? No. Where did that total 65 combos come from?

Well let's count...
Community's still in deck:
7c, 7h, 5h, 5d, 4d, 4c, 4s

77: 7c7h = 1combo

55: 5h5d =1combo

A7: Ah7c, Ad7c, Ac7c, As7c, Ah7h, Ad7h, Ac7h, As7h = 8combo. (Running total 10)

A5: Ah5h, Ad5h, Ac5h, As5h, Ah5d, Ad5d, Ac5d, As5d = 8combo. (Running total 18)

97: Guess what...8combos...4live 9's just like the A's. (Running total = 26)

78: Guess what...8combos...4live 8's just like the A's. (Running total = 34)

56: Guess what...8combos...4live 6's just like the A's. (Running total = 42)

54: 5h4c, 5h4s, 5h4d, 5d4c, 5d4s, 5d4d. = 6combos (Running total = 48)

*Guess what....we aint finished!!*

53: Guess what...8combos...4live 3's just like the A's. (Running total = 56)

57: 5h7h, 5h7c, 5d7h, 5d7c = 4combos. (Running total = 60)

68s: C H D S = 4combos

GRAND TOTAL = 64!

That is where 64 came from!!!

Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
Lmao please don't forget why you stopped ever again if you think answering you is insulting you and that an humble coach "thinks he is a professor"
On the other hand your short comeback at least made my day. So you might as well come back again from time to time and let us have a good lauch. :P

As above! The only funny thing is a coach that can't count and a fella laughing at some who can count...

Case and point!

Bye!


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PocketAcesJohn
Joined: 19.06.2008

Originally posted by la55i
Oh now I see how you got the combos.. I just thought that when SB calls a 3bb UTG open it would be weird to put hands like 53o,54o,65o,87o,97o in his calling range because really he should't have the suited versions either.

I'm not a professor but I can tell you that from the 64 combos you listed you gave villain at least 34-48 combos that really shouldn't be there.
Then you listed some AX hands that should either be folded or 3bet too.. So you listed total of 120 combos but I can say that max 20 combos of the listed really should be counted in his range.

Just seen this.

I agree, some shouldn't be there, but it would be assumptious to assume there not (i did put in brackets about not likely all os hands).

Just because we don't play them, doesn't mean our unknown opponent doesn't.

But lets assume they don't...now their value range is smaller.

We can say the same again for the bluff hands.

Just imo, how ever logical or illogical the situation, there are more weak hands than strong.

Sorry for my rant, I get frustrated when my point isn't understood.


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Lazza61
Joined: 23.03.2011

Hey guys,

I have removed the posts not relevant to the hand discussion. Please be mindful of our forum principles when responding to other users.

Regards

Laz


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MLima1984
Joined: 19.05.2015

Cant we all be friends? 😁


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

I'm already your friend. =)
Can't be friend with everyone either. Would be too much work.


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