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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Mascherano95
I am running really bad for 2 months which made me doubting the quality of my game. Especially in stack-off situations I found myself being dominated so often that I am losing hard.. I have some of those vids from Jnandez about 3BP´s in my mind which always guided my but this aggressive is like pounding with stacks into ranges that are always aheads or flipping.

I frequently watch his live streams.
He may be one of the best players in the business, but man that guy's lucky!

I once won a month worth of his Mastermind class, and it was certainly well worth the time to go through all I could before the month ran out.
For me though, the goal was to get to know enough PLO to play that segment of 8-Game. For me that segment was the worst of all.

Now I'm equally bad at all of them :coolface:


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Now I'm equally bad at all of them :coolface:

Because your PLO game improved so much or is it because you forgot how to play the other games?


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LahtiPelican
Joined: 27.04.2013

Originally posted by Mascherano95

in €

PLO5 100 - 400
PLO10 350 - 800
PLO20 700- 2000
PLO50 1750 - 4000
PLO100 3500 - 8000
PLO200 7000 - 10000

The goal is to have a € 10000 bankroll for playing on PLO200 by the end of the year 2021.

At this time I have to cash out € 400 a month for the cost of living here in Hungary starting at the bottom PLO5.

Nem is tudtam, hogy te is magyar vagy. Sok sikert a kihíváshoz! :f_drink:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Mascherano95
Because your PLO game improved so much or is it because you forgot how to play the other games?

🤣I was trying to be smart-ass there :coolface:
I'm not truly an expert at any of the games in 8-Game, but I'm a bit above average I think.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by LahtiPelican

Originally posted by Mascherano95
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At this time I have to cash out € 400 a month for the cost of living here in Hungary starting at the bottom PLO5.

Nem is tudtam, hogy te is magyar vagy. Sok sikert a kihíváshoz! :f_drink:

Nem vagyok magyar, de egy ideig Magyarországon éltem. Ennek ellenére nagyon köszönöm!


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

15bb/100 pre rakeback/promotions at Zoom is doable at PLO5 and lower. Hard at PLO10 and really hard at PLO25. For PLO50+ VERY hard, if even doable (of course some will run hot, but for EV).


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by Kyyberi
15bb/100 pre rakeback/promotions at Zoom is doable at PLO5 and lower. Hard at PLO10 and really hard at PLO25. For PLO50+ VERY hard, if even doable (of course some will run hot, but for EV).

You are right, I did not consider the dropping of winrate when moving up the stakes. I am not playing Zoom but I am sure Zoom the WR is much lower, I am thinking about avoiding it for that reason. My experience of PLO5 winrate is somewhere around 40bb/100 over a decent sample and my impression is, that up to PLO20 the WR drops by 50% as an estimation but afterwards has an regressive increasing proporitonality. There is no big idea setting up new deadlines ayntime you receive new information about the realizability of your current goal, according "Time Management" by Brian Tracy.

There is another thing I forgot, my job situation aside the table is very fluctional. As you know I quitted the chmical plant due to my skin rashes, so last month I worked on construction (which was totally exhausting and might have contributed to the bad results in May since I played overtired) but the construction area is finished and I am once more without a job.

But without job, I can invest more time into the grind, let´s say I play at least 2,5 hours (2x75min sessions) and if I have a job I deposit the amount of money I would have won from that income into my bankroll. Beside this, I save the rest. In "The richest man of Babylon" they told me to save at least 10% of your monthly income no matter what, and that is what I did since I started here. Despite my bankroll not growing, I still managed to save money more than I ever had in my life and so I increased my total reserves (primarily invested in eToro..) since the beginning of the challenge (money that is not available since I will not touch it).

I think, I still have the leaky mindset to move up at any price faster than I can control it so I should reserve more time for the process of getting professional, as I have been shown, wealth grows slowly but steadily habits grow slowly too. As told in "Tactical PLO" playing under pressure with monetary results in my mind (no matter if losing or winning) turned out to be the biggest issue in my mental game. Managing your financial assets is just an important part of becoming professional poker player as any other aspect, unless you want to be stressful for the rest of your life! The hard part is to accomodate for my pokerstudies beside working, exercisizing and grinding.

(Edit: ) Anyways. Let´s make another conservative rough calculation for 50 stacks:

PLO20 10 bb/100
PLO50 7.5 bb/100

Shedule 2021:

Bankroll in €

PLO20
August 1250 - 1875
September 1875 - 2500

PLO50
October 2500 - 3400
November 3400 - 4300
December 4300 - 5000

:fuckyeah:


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I wanted here to share important concepts beside monetary values considering how to finish my challenge succesfull, it´s time for motivation boost:

1. Personal Responsibility
I am responsible for my life and everything that happens to me. 80% of success lies within me, my thougts, my actions and habits.

2. Set goals
The primary reason for people to fail is not developing new plans to replace those who did not work.

3. Acquire Skills
Anything you need to learn in order to accomplish that goal can be learnt. No one smarter or better than you.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

June, aimless Splashing:

This month I was having no routine, showing some "burn out" syndroms, having hidden tilt and losing basically my entire Bankroll playing underrolled and playing "Rush & Cash" due to "lack of traffic". I also watched Football Euro championship in the evening instead of the grind I usually do in this time.

Well, I managed to read the 3 Audio-books "Tactical PLO" Pre & Post by Wilson and "Eight habits of a great Poker Player" by Zhang.

I have to mention, that whereas Poker is a total loss I managed to progress in all other areas of life. I quitted my smoking habit for 2 weeks now, I am still on my 250 days no-fap challenge. I am following my Kettlebell training plan for 3 weeks and my Pilates posture training for 25 days now. I have better sleep routines so I am more focused on my new job. I saved money aside according to the 10% rule since November last year and I am just establishing a study routine where I review my sessions and work on the ranges and theory with the last routine still being in the forming process. I also feel like I have to refresh the theory I also have in fom of books and vids.

Grinding those micro-stakes is pretty much a waste of time from a monetary aspect since know I can beat those but the expected winning are not sufficient to increase my bankoll significantly. For this reason my goal for the July is to get back and reestablish serious grind slowly at PLO10 and get a volume of 3600 hands with a winrate of at least 15bb/100 and planning to make a bigger sized deposit in August moving up to PLO20 once more no matter what.


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SittingOuts
Joined: 05.05.2010

Ai the struggle is real :( Best thing you could do in my humble opinion is to set easy goals (since your not in a rush it seems anyway).

My goal(s) if I was in your shoes would be to beat a limit first for 100 buy ins and then move up and do the same.
You don't have to start at the bottom, but for a little challenge I would recommend starting at plo2.

Anyway best of luck!


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

PLO2 does not exist where I play, but I will continue again from bottom Low-Stakes and set smaller volume goals and also try to analyze hands more deeply and go into detail as often as it is possible.


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SittingOuts
Joined: 05.05.2010

You can do it!


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karniak
Joined: 18.10.2010

Hello, nice thread, i ve sent invitation, cause i have some toppic i would like to discuss :)


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Originally posted by karniak
Hello, nice thread, i ve sent invitation, cause i have some toppic i would like to discuss :)

I accepted. Go ahead let´s talk. Im open for any stimulus.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I switched to the new Get Rich or Die Trying BR-Challenge: The Bankroll Challenge 2021

The July Break is over, I made a deposit up to approximately 50 buyin for PLO20 and here are my results for August playing PLO20 beside my fulltime job as a warehouse worker:

On Win2Day:

And on GGPoker:

Since my results on GGPoker were so bad, I decided trying to avoid PLO25 for this month but play PLO10 there instead. I only swerve to GGPoker when there is no sufficient traffic on Win2Day.


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

GL buddy, crush these races! btw: consider playing on the KKPoker app. I would have returned there with added bonus by pokerstrategy.com but german residents are blocked :(

https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/de/forum/thread.php?threadid=1819555


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pkrprty
Joined: 12.09.2021

Hey man, i read the forums here every 2-3months or so and normally dont comment on anything, but i think it might help you. Seems like you have been trying to become a professional (think you wanna quit your job if you reach the right stakes, right?) for quite some time now, like 2 years + you have been playing poker for10 years now, right?
I have no idea about your financial situation, but if you live in Austria you need some money to cover the essentials of living. That said, I would suggest that you safe up money from your job so that you can live comfortably for like 1 year without having to cash out from your poker winnings one single time. Safe the money on pokersites to build your bankroll. That said, I think that there are some other things you might want to consider.

- I would strongly advice you to stay away from rush and cash on gg poker, even if there is no traffic on normal tables. I saw your monthly samples and I think that it doesnt make sense for you to play that format, because a) you are not remotely close to putting in enough volume, b) the volume wont get you on the leaderboard where you would like to be to make extra cash, c) you wont produce enough rake to climb in the fish buffet fast enough to get more moeny out of that and, most imoprtantly, d) if you play higher than PLO10, the competition becomes tougher. Once you go above that, people are playing for a living and take the game very seriously. Again, stay away from that.
Also, I think that i read (not 100%) that you think that your winrate decreases by roughly 50% if you go up in stakes. So if you have a 40bb/100 on PLO5, that would mean that you can beat PLO10 for 20bb/100, PLO20/PLO25 for lets say 10 and PLO50 for 5bb/100. If you go to PLO100, that would mean that you have a 2.5bb/100 if i got what you mean correctly. Honestly, I think thats not true. If you come to a limit like PLO50, there are good regs and I am quite certain that you cant maintain a positive winrate at that limit, which does not mean that you will not be able to do that as a professional of course.

- Why play on ggpoker at all? It seems that it is going way better for you on win2day, so just stick to that and drop ggpoker 100%? Do what's best for you winrate, seek for the softest competition you can find and stick to brm. Dont take shots when there is no action, rather play lower if there is any action. There is no point facing different opponents on higher stakes if you are not rolled for that or having enough money to take a serious shot.

- I dont think there is much value in reading poker books. Idk if I am allowed to mention any products here, but i think you know what i mean if i say that a sub to a leading PLO training sight might benefit you greatly. Dont only go through a 10 week transformation and dont only watch a couple of other courses that might say how to beat this and that limit blah blah blah. Rather stick to the real deal, learn how to play 3bet pots, how cbets work, betsizing and so on as their are courses dedicted to only that. Practice quizzes and see + understand why a hand is played like its played. Do all that and revise it over and over again until you have it down cold.
First, focus on situations that happen most frequently, in your case startin with pre flop game makes sense i think. I saw that you posted some hands and 4 of them should have played differently pre flop. Dont deviate from these ranges and do not make up your own ones, bc they are made of certain rake environments.
I also saw that you came up with some ranges in other threads, Idk where you got them from, but I would also strongly adcive you to stick to GTO solutions in certain rake environments (included in training sites) and stick to that. Pre flop cant be exploited if you nail it close to 100% (not taking into consideration to get 3bet more often bc villain or player xyz folds to cbet to a certain % blah blah blah)

- If you wanna take it really seriously, try to get a coach. Best would be someone who plays plo200+. Idk their h/rates, but i can imagine that it is not that cheap. Maybe you can, if you focus on poker 100% for a year, make a deal with them and get coaching for profits or something. In case you manage to find someone, stick to what they tell you 100%.

- Does it have to be PLO? Or would you also be willing to try out other formats? Maybe there is more value in another gametype, maybe tournaments, idk. At this point i think its fair to say that you can still experiment with a lot of stuff, put some volume in and then decide on what you wanna be doing all day long for 1 year.

- If you should choose to go for it and try to become a professional for 1 year (implying that you have enough money for yourself + resources that you might need to up your game), forget about going out on the weekends. Take one day off a week at max. Work out, eat healthy, start meditationg. Do everything in your power to feel great and maybe start journaling, maybe even here in some blogs.

These are not meant to be any points of critique, I just want to help you to succeed in poker. Wish you good luck at the tables :)

edit: I forgot to meantion 1 thing. I do not know if you already do this, but have you ever considered playing PLO MTTs? They are incredibly soft and some good money can be made there.


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SvenBe
Joined: 19.04.2006

How's it going ?
Haven't seen an update in a while from you.

Regarding ekfay's post - yeah you'd be eligible to play there. I am playing there myself,too - but very recreationally. That is also the advantage, together with 50% RB and all the dudes just playing a session on the loo - that gives a good winrate.

See ya around!


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

Hey.

I haven´t been making entries here in this forum or in the BR-challenge, since I did not found it helpful anymore for my mental game. It was kinda better for me to "inner-"reflect my progress and I´ve to admit, that I also felt embarrased to always present my striving ambitions just to report how I utterly failed so I settled it private for some time until I have more positive news.

I am happy to report, that I achieved my goal nonethless. Since my last post in September 2021 I managed to save a couple of hundred bucks every month from working stubbornly grinding PLO20 beside it. This spring things changed quickly. In March 2022 I moved up from PLO20 to PLO50 and changed my job into part-time so I have more time to play and study poker. In May I won 15 stacks over 25.000 hands on PLO100 which equals 6bb/100. I had some "straying" sessions with internet surfing beside the grind (a terrible habit that appears from time to time) and maybe played too many table in this new more competitive environment (kept playing 4 tables) so I am lucky that I´m in black. Overall since working 40 hours per week was really exhausting I had no more energy nor time to do studies and deep learning. I just played short session like 30-40 minutes + session review, usually once a day and multiples on holidays and weekends and I did it continously every day except for 2 weeks around christmas time so if you add those hands over time you get a decent sample too.

Now finally I have the 10.000,-$ Bankroll. I play on Win2Day and GG whereas the traffic on Win2day is not sufficient anymore, so the volume on GG increases. My impression of the competition on PLO100 on GG is still pretty beatable which feels releasing, no need to search for a better pokerroom at the moment. I expect a higher skill level to be there on PLO200 so I have to prepare for this now. Upgrades: I subbed to a RIO PLO course and the PLO Vision trainer where I train GTO ranges, I also got HM3. I finished "The Poker Mindset" from Mathew Hilger and Ian Taylor, I really can recommend this book to get the proper mindset and attitude for a longterm success in poker. At the time I am focused on mastering specific preflop skills. About my studies I really try to master a topic perfectly before moving to the next chapter, which means I am still improving preflop game. In order to do this better I need to get MonkerSolver.

Another lucky incident, due to the new legal situation in Austria, I managed it to sue the compound losses from 3 big pokerrooms I played from 2010 to 2018. That got me back another 10.000,-$ which I invested in Stocks and ETC´s and hold that as a psychological reserve. My job quit is on 15th of this month and I need to settle some stuff like dentist, vaccination, cutting wood and repairing stuff before I take my 20k$+ some cash+ +notebook +ticket and move to Lisbon where I will focus on establishing solid grind on PLO100.

A very helpful mental tool that supports my success is the so-called Ivy-Lee-Method where you execute min. 6 daily tasks. You can google that, it is very easy and very powerful. Also helpful as I mentioned is nofap, having breakfast everyday, stretching exercises (5-10min/day), cold showering and just try to remain integrity. Write down your goals and stick to it, day by day, week by week. Unfortunately I am still smoking and my fitness is not to a point where I want it to be. I already had good physique but I got drained into bad shape the winter 21/22. I also feel like the weather last months had an terrible impact on my mood, I still feel depressed quite often, so I guess I really need that location shift. I am also studying Portuguese on Duolingo, I really like the sound of the language, pretty cool.

Time to head on:

Updated BRM (June 2022) in US$:

PLO50 5000 - 10000
PLO100 10000 - 20000
PLO200 20000 - 50000
PLO500 50000 - 100000

The goal is to have a bankroll of US$ 100.000,- by the end of June 2024 (within 2 years) for professionally playing PLO1000.

See you at the tables!


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

iPoker - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: €87.51 (175 bb)
CO: €62.32 (124.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): €57.45 (114.9 bb)
SB: €88.52 (177 bb)
BB: €56.97 (113.9 bb)

SB posts €0.25, BB posts €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 7♣: J♦: 8♦: 8♣:
fold, CO calls €0.50, Hero raises to €2.25, SB calls €2.00, fold, CO calls €1.75

Generally I rarely have been raising medium semi-connected pocket pairs very aggressively. Something I changed after my training with PLO-Vision. GTO has some preflop raises with hands like J♠:9♦:8♠:8♦:, T♠:8♣:7♠:7♣: or J♥:8♣:7♥:7♣: from spots I did not expect it. I do want to play here with position against bad players, SB is a very loose passive player (75/15 AF 1).

Flop: (€7.25, 3 players) A♦: J♥: 8♠:
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets €3.62, fold, CO calls €3.62

Pretty standard cbet here without draw-blockers or backup by myself. Despite the board being not very dry I opted for 1/2-pot only since the A♦: locks it down somewhat and I have decent FE with my perceived range here. The limper, a loose player (40/13/2 AF 5) comes along. He will have a decent portion of :Ax: hands beside to obvious made hands and draws, weak-pair+gs too.

Turn: (€14.49, 2 players) 3♦:
CO checks, Hero bets €10.86, CO raises to €21.72, Hero calls €10.86

Following up a second barrel with my standard sizing when the texture goes towards enabling more draws. I prefer not betting pot here exploiting low-stakes tendencies of check-calling too much. The minraise is not very meaningful cutting down his range a little towards non-total crap. I had to think a moment between calling and raising since he won´t be folding much here but I did the call to let him hang himself.

River: (€57.93, 2 players) 4♣:
CO bets €34.73, Hero calls €29.86

River card is a perfect blank and I made the call as planned.

Results: €117.65 pot (€1.50 rake)
Final Board: A♦: J♥: 8♠: 3♦: 4♣:

Spoiler

CO shows A♥: T♦: 3♠: Q♥:: (Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 47%, Flop 33%, Turn 20%)

Hero shows 7♣: J♦: 8♦: 8♣:: (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 53%, Flop 67%, Turn 80%)

Hero wins €116.15


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