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jonnyjm
Joined: 24.03.2008

Hello,

So I played this hand today, which I thought was played well in real-time, however since realized there was definitely a mistake made by me. Where was the mistake made?

1) Calling the flop check-raise (although small)? At the time I felt AT, AJ, AQ, KQ, 89s, JJ & TT could all play this way, however, I doubt this is a bluff most of the time and don't think JJ would play this way....

2) Betting the river. By the river I felt TT or JJ was most likely, the river means only 1 combo of TT, 6 combos of JJ and possibly 2 combos of ATs.

3) Bet sizing on the river. I felt my bet sizing could really attack JJ and get called, perhaps I should have used a 50% pot sizing instead? It would certainly be an easier fold.

4) Calling the river shove. It feels like I can't really fold here, but also it feels like I can't ever be winning. Is it possible to fold here?

Here is the hand:

Holdem - 6 players

SB: 128.8 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BB: 36 BB (VPIP: 70.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 36.36, Hands: 20)
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 18.40, PFR: 16.80, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 126)
MP: 156.2 BB (VPIP: 20.49, PFR: 13.11, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 124)
Hero (CO): 136.4 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♦: Q♠:
fold, MP raises to 3.4 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 6.6 BB

Flop : (21.4 BB, 2 players) 3♦: T♥: 7♣:
MP checks, Hero bets 8 BB, MP raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

Turn : (61.4 BB, 2 players) 8♦:
MP checks, Hero checks

River : (61.4 BB, 2 players) T♠:
MP checks, Hero bets 50 BB, MP raises to 126.2 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 56.4 BB and is all-in

MP shows T♣: T♦: (Four of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 18%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows Q♦: Q♠: (Two Pair, Queens and Tens)
(Pre 82%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

MP wins 260.4 BB


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imgoingtomirage
Joined: 03.07.2010

Smaller bet/fold river, this would be consistent with your thought process on the turn where you checked back (I assume pot control, no value in betting?).

Jacks will never x/r river there imo. What do you beat except bluffs which there isn't many on such a dry board?


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jonnyjm
Joined: 24.03.2008

Checking back turn was supposedly higher EV :f_cry:

I didn't believe they would check nut hands twice, which was really the downfall on the river.

In a way, I feel the flop and river are similar situations, as in small relative to pot odds. In hindsight river is clearly a fold, although difficult as I committed too much to the pot, but I can't ever be ahead facing XR.

The flop is a weird spot for me, I don't know if reraise-fold is better than call flop and continuing passively. So in a way I'm not certain.

In hindsight, is anything other than sets XR flop? 3 combos of TT, 3 combos 77, 4 combos 98s (Although do these ever check-raise to deny equity to AK/AQ/KQ?).

I'm aware I f**ked up when is came to building my opponent's range, but I still want to understand options to play better in the future vs XR.

Checking the river seems to become better than betting without enough flop bluffs.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have moved you're hand to our hand discussion board. There fits it better.
The river is the most interesting about this hand I think. The rest seems pretty standard.
I would bet around 30bb for value and fold to a shove. Now you invest so much chips that you get crazy odds to call with almost always the 2nd best hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Sol4r
Joined: 12.02.2011

Preflop
Well played
MP seems to be TAG and the range that he raises pre flop and just calls after a 3-bet of the CO is not so wide I think.
Usually TT, JJ, QQ, AQ and KQ. Because you have two queens, the most likely hands would be TT or JJ

Flop
Your bet size is too low. You have an over pair and want to get value, but you also need good information. With a small bet-size, MP might think you're on a AK kind of hand and protect his JJ with the check-raise.
A bet size of 70% would give you more accurate information. The check-raise is likely TT, a check-call is likely a JJ. AQ and KQ hands will fold here OOP

Turn
I would not be afraid of flush draw here and I would try to check to a showdown

River
You should check behind. The pot is big enough for your hand.


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