[Closed] $26 rush final table ATo

u missed mine point, maybe i wasn't clear

as i said in previous comments
i see no value in raising river, cos imo if villain is descend player he wont call us with any worse hand, cos hero line looks a lot like a flush (Aragcc) + the fact that hero dont have Tc or Ac makes more likely that villain has AcXc or TcQc,TcKc,Tc9c
and from bet sizing on river his bet looks like weak block bet or inducing a bluff bet and i dont think that block bet will cal a shove often enough to make shoving + chipEv play

Originally posted by TheRebuz
u missed mine point, maybe i wasn't clear

as i said in previous comments
i see no value in raising river, cos imo if villain is descend player he wont call us with any worse hand, cos hero line looks a lot like a flush (Aragcc) + the fact that hero dont have Tc or Ac makes more likely that villain has AcXc or TcQc,TcKc,Tc9c

why are you assuming he's a decent player? that's a very very very poor assumption. btw if i were villain i discount a huge amount of our flush combinations from our range as it's expected that we would continuation bet those (you don't have to, but it's in your perceived range)

the question about villain being actually a decent player makes sense...
however he is in fact representing a flush on turn and value-bet on river, so why risk whole tourney by pushing?

2.5-3.5x raise on river would've given you additional info, if you felt that he was weak, e.g. set, 2p, lower str8 or even small flush would call your raise. I honestly dont see him 3-betting you on river without a flush.

So, from safe perspective you can raise-fold or just flat and see whats up. Id rather check and take those 50k

Originally posted by dubadal
2.5-3.5x raise on river would've given you additional info,

never ever raise for info. raise for value, raise for FE even raise for tilt before raising for info

Originally posted by alejandrosh

Originally posted by dubadal
2.5-3.5x raise on river would've given you additional info,

never ever raise for info. raise for value, raise for FE even raise for tilt before raising for info

+9001

Originally posted by chenny8888

Originally posted by TheRebuz
u missed mine point, maybe i wasn't clear

as i said in previous comments
i see no value in raising river, cos imo if villain is descend player he wont call us with any worse hand, cos hero line looks a lot like a flush (Aragcc) + the fact that hero dont have Tc or Ac makes more likely that villain has AcXc or TcQc,TcKc,Tc9c

why are you assuming he's a decent player? that's a very very very poor assumption. btw if i were villain i discount a huge amount of our flush combinations from our range as it's expected that we would continuation bet those (you don't have to, but it's in your perceived range)

checking on flop discounts only 44,qq,jj
and something like AKcc/AQcc/KQcc/KTcc/9Tcc/QTcc /Q9cc but imo we r going to check behind at least 15% of time with those hand

and btw why u think we should we bet all flush draws on that flop?? we shouldnt bet draws that we r not happy to get it in on flop imo

so imo only flush draws that we should bet there are t9,t8,98,TK,AK,AQ,AT, QX, clubs but we r going to check some of them some % of time also

and when we check behind Axcc and we hit our Axcc flush on turn we will at least 50% of time just call his bet on turn giving him rope to hang himself

and btw i dont think that we should ever bet like 76cc, or Axcc,Kxcc and something like that cos villan can c/shove and move us out of our draw

i don't bet all flushdraws on the flop. but it is in our perceived range, ie our villains would expect us to bet them. this is all assuming villain is decent which is an unnecessary assumption.

you should b/c here with axcc and kxcc pretty happily as villain can often c/shove worse draws that we have crushed :).

I think a cbet is good to see where you're at and also because the board hits your preflop raising range alot of the time so its good to bluff at and balance your cbetting range. On the turn theres no way of knowing if he hit a flush or is bluffing because you looked weak checking behind on the flop and I dont mind folding on the turn since I think my gutshot outs and only maybe my Ace outs are good so its a tough spot but you have position so its alright to call and hope for a miracle river or cheap showdown. When he fires again on the river I'm a bit worried he might have a flush, I might call instead of shoving because it could be a bluff catching call but this type of board hits alot of hands and I also don't mind shoving and him having a flush is just a risk I am willing to shove against since there are so many other hands that hit the board I think a flush is but a fraction of his range.

Originally posted by fastroller
I think a cbet is good to see where you're at

Originally posted by alejandrosh
never ever raise for info. raise for value, raise for FE even raise for tilt before raising for info

easy line cbet flop, fold turn
what did u pay 9k for on the turn?