NL50 A2s using strange lines

imho :nh:,

you are at the top of your range: JJ/88 you often 3bet preflop. it is difficult finde hands better than flush A♣:; what is your doubt?

Great line, KoeNe4U. Thats what people call thinking outside the box ♠_cool:
The best part, for me, was checking it on river, after donking turn.
Of course villain would do exactly the same with his boats, but, yes, this play induces nice combos of bluffs to make the call profitable.
see ya

It's pretty bad. You're donk bet is weak, you have a flush on a paired board. And Villain is SUPER uncapped.

You are just lucky villain had the perfect hand to play aggressively.

If he shoved 200bb into the river would you have called? Which villain probalby should have done if he's going to bluff here

making it look weak on turn was the purpose of my play.... The fact that villain is uncapped, makes it more likely he has QQ+ which would probably call the turn but never bet themselves. you just pointed out the reasons why I played it exactly this way...

Would you have called a 200bb 4x pot shove on the river?

You didn't make you hand look weak. You turned your hand face up. It's probably easier to just show your cards, than it is lead the turn.

The fact that villain is uncapped makes it more likely he has

JJ 1
J8s 2
J8o 4
88 3
55 3
J5s 2

15 combos

How many villains here are going to raise enough bluffs here into your face up range at nl50? Not many I'd bet.

What does donking the turn do here?

1. It shows that you don't understand the reasons for having a donking range. So you're donknig and x/c ranges are going to be super exploitable.
2. Turns your hand super face up. Jx and flushes. Not enough bluffs.
3. It destroys your x/c range. Betting every and any river with any 2 cards is going to be super profitable against you. You could expect to be barreled relentlessly from now on by decent players.
4. You lose mountains of money against his 2 barrel and 3 barrel bluffs.
5 . You lose money against his value hands that bet the turn and check the river and are now just folding the turn.
6. You claim you gain value against QQ-AA. Thats 15 combos. But that's not true these hands will over fold because your hand is face up.
7. Villain can infer from this that you can't play OOP and that floating with any 2 or close is going to be super profitable.

Donking is bad, don't do it.

jules97, I think u are missing to note that its NOT a standard line he ll take often. This said, if he ll play differently with similar hands, this play makes THIS hand way LESS faced up.

Other thing... I just got genuinely curious. Can u quickly summarize which are the reasons for having a donking range?

see ya

Jules, very nice explanation on the pitfalls of donking there, great job.

Id consider 3betting preflop because of many reasons. As played i wouldnt x/r it on the flop probably as well because of many reasons. But i woudlnt lead it on the turn - thats too face up. I think I would x/c on the turn as well and x/c the river.