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HU 25 - JJ TP paired board

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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
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SB: $16.19 (64.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $33.27 (133.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J J
SB completes, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2) 6 K K (2 players)
Hero bets $1, SB raises to $4.25, Hero calls $3.25

Turn: ($10.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $10.94, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$10.50 pot ($0.57 rake)
Final Board: 6 K K 8
SB mucked and won $9.93 ($4.68 net)
Hero mucked J J and lost (-$5.25 net)

First of all I know I played this wrongly.

Only 28 hands on villain.
We can assume xe's a fish due to stack and limps.
Limp 21
Steal 57
3B 28.6(14) [0(2) limp/3b]
Flop FtCB 50(4) [no info on raised limp pot]
AF 2.8 [3/5/1]

So I believe the only choice here is to either get it in in some way or folding on flop.
Is folding even to be considered?

If we choose to get it in, is it generally better (vs this type of unknown) to 3B immediately on flop (con: xe folds all the bluffs instead of a chance of betting them on turn) or slowplay it?

I ask for the folding because somehow I always get screwed when I get it in on paired boards vs fish at this limit. They seem to like bluffing them once and give them up (or raise/continue with trips+) but sometimes they do both and hence why my (supposedly) bad play.

So what are your experiences?


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Hi AtrociousNightmare

Preflop: looks fine

Postflop: If you look at his bet sizes we see that he makes them huge on both flop and turn which usually means that the fish wants some fold equity (or protection). And on paired boards they love raising as a bluff or with pairs so there's no way I'm folding this HU. I'd call flop and call down especially vs that turn huge bet.


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blumpkin
Joined: 18.07.2011

I would bet 1.5$ on the flop in order to get value from weaker hands. I would call the flop raise. Well, I noticed that people are really tricky and don't play straight forward poker alot. I mean they try to get us in trap and don't want to "scare" us with big raises and want us to call and continue paing nuts, so may be that's way they min raise nuts despite making a normal size raise.well, I would rather call shove on the turn because as I said befor people try to do weird things with nuts, so I think if he would have nuts he would bet 1\2 of the pot or smth like that and wouldn't raise on the flop. If it was bet/call, bet/shove it would be tough either but I would trust more to this line and fold more as it's more looks likes that he has a king.


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I'm not sure I follow your thought process 100% here.

So you think that villain would slightly overbet (shove) the turn with Kx? Like you said they usually play them with smaller bets to keep us in unless they are the type that easily get scared by draws.


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blumpkin
Joined: 18.07.2011

nope, as I said people are tricky and according to the line that was in hero's hand he would have bluffs much more often rather than it was bet/call, bet/shove. bet/raise, check/shove a little bit more than the pot looks more bluffy


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Originally posted by blumpkin
nope, as I said people are tricky and according to the line that was in hero's hand he would have bluffs much more often rather than it was bet/call, bet/shove. bet/raise, check/shove a little bit more than the pot looks more bluffy

Exactly, that's why I wouldn't fold.


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