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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Just wanted to get your opinions this. Villain is totally unknown.
I'm not sure if I should just call his 3bet pre. As played I think it is fine to go broke?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $12.05 (120.5 bb)
BB: $32.41 (324.1 bb)
UTG: $12.89 (128.9 bb)
MP: $33.18 (331.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $12.21 (122.1 bb)
BTN: $10.82 (108.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q♦: Q♠:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.20, SB raises to $12.05 and is all-in, Hero calls $9.85

Flop: ($24.20) 8♥: 4♦: 8♣: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($24.20) 7♥: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($24.20) T♣: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$24.20 pot ($1.09 rake)
Final Board: 8♥: 4♦: 8♣: 7♥: T♣:
SB showed K♥: K♠: and won $23.11 ($11.06 net)
Hero showed Q♦: Q♠: and lost (-$12.05 net)


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JB12Spawn
Joined: 14.09.2016

I think both options are fine pre, after 4betting we can't fold in these positions without more information. Though I have to say that playing lower limits (NL5) and coming with more experience in Fullring maybe it's better to overfold in that situation against unknown, but NL10 is more agressive.


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kaesen42
Joined: 18.10.2010

If I 4bet QQ i never fold to 5bet or shove (100bb eff.) So if you don't want to stack off you should call 3bet.


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seacat22
Joined: 10.08.2013

His 3bet is very large indicating a strong value range he wants to play AA KK AK which you are a big underdog 72/27 and you are risking 120bb not 100bb . Its a very tight fold from me.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

His 3bet is big-ish but I wouldn't say very large. And it doesn't necessarily always mean he is very strong. And we have 40% equity against KK+,AK.


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Deividyz
Joined: 18.01.2009

STD hand IMO, SB 3bet is pretty std, I always 3bet 4x when OOP (3x + 1x for OOP and + 1x for each caller).


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Dre4mBl00d
Joined: 28.10.2016

Without information I would play like you.
Considering that we could call IP to see the flop and fold facing a very aggressive bets, Since he had top of the range QQ + AK considering the preflop actions. Or maybe, just calling we can went to SD controlling the pot.
:f_thumbsup:


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Hi,

I would 4bet only KK+ 120+ bb deep, because I don't expect unknown villain on NL10 to 5bet bluff you this deep, or to 3bet/call many hands. OOP I would rather 4bet. If you think that villains where you play 3bet you agro vs CO and then don't fold much vs 4bet, then I would 4bet QQ also IP.


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SuperChompa
Joined: 26.07.2016

Even if you just call the 3bet it is going to be tough to find a fold on that board.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Originally posted by SuperChompa
Even if you just call the 3bet it is going to be tough to find a fold on that board.

Yes if you call 3bet, surely you don't fold flop and turn at least vs cbet.


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