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AthleticAZ
Joined: 19.09.2009

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $10.77 (107.7 bb)
BB: $13.95 (139.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $14.70 (147 bb)
MP: $6.12 (61.2 bb)
CO: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $10.05 (100.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q♣: K♦:
Hero raises to $0.25, MP folds, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.80) 3♣: Q♠: 6♥: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.57, CO folds, BB calls $0.57

Turn: ($1.94) T♣: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.11, BB calls $1.11

River: ($4.16) 7♠: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Against Villain's continuation range OTT I have 60% + equity, so I can value bet.
Since he did not x/r OTT or OTF, I don't expect him to have sets and QT. Given population read, that people have mostly nuts OTT, when raising, I’d fold here vs raise (The Baluga Theorem). That being said I expect Villain to have some FD and SD in his turn calling range.


Board: 6♥Q♠3♣ T♣ 7♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    41.03%  33.33%   7.69% { JJ, AQs, KQs, QJs, Q9s, 54s, Ac6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 6c5c, AQo, KQo, QJo }
BB     58.97%  51.28%   7.69% { KdQc }

I bet small (11bb into 19bb) to keep his range wider.
Plan is to play: bet/bet/check back.
If Villain raises all his nuts, backdoor FD's and SD's OTT, even then I have slightly over 60% equity against turn calling range.

Board: 6♥Q♠3♣ T♣ 7♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    36.67%  26.67%  10.00% { JJ, AQs, KQs, QJs, Q9s, AQo, KQo, QJo }
BB     63.33%  53.33%  10.00% { KdQc }

In order to have a value bet OTR Villain needs to call down with all QJ, Q9s and JJ. Which is unrealistic.
I think his calling/raising range OTR might look like this:

Board: 6♥Q♠3♣ T♣ 7♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    84.21%  68.42%  15.79% { AQs, KQs, 54s, 7c6c, AQo, KQo }
BB     15.79%   0.00%  15.79% { KdQc }

Let's find point where we are 50%:

Board: 6♥Q♠3♣ T♣ 7♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    50.00%  40.63%   9.38% { JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AQs, KQs, QJs, Q9s, 54s, 7c6c, AQo, KQo, QJo }
BU     50.00%  40.63%   9.38% { KdQc }

So, the tipping point for river value bet is where Villain calls with all of his TP and half of his JJ (I took out combos with Jc).

Conclusion:
- TP type hands typically play for 2 streets of value;
- betting large OTT might isolate us vs strong range;
- betting OTT with one pair type hand vs aggro reg is a bad idea, since he has a lots of ways to play back at us and we would be forced to play way too big pot with one pair type hand;
- If we play against station, then checking back a river is a mistake since he will have much wider range. As per example, we needed only three JJ combos to have a value bet. Vs station we can add also Q8s, Q7s, Q9o, etc., so our EQ increases a lot.
- playing this spot with QJ is way worse and closer to 1 street of value vs passive and/or tight player.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's also good to know what kind of player you are dealing with.
If he's loose passive he can easy call with weaker hands on every street.
Against a TAG i would play the hand the same what you did.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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AthleticAZ
Joined: 19.09.2009

I wonder if I made a mistake OTT. Anyone?


Board: 6♥Q♠3♣ T♣
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    53.13%  46.88%   6.25% { QQ, TT, 66, 33, JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AQs, KQs, Q9s+, 54s, KcJc, Ac6c, 8c6c, 7c6c, 6c5c, AQo, KQo, QJo }
BB     46.88%  40.63%   6.25% { KdQc }

Problem with my analysis is that I assumed my equity against Villain's calling range, but not against his overall continuation range (which might include all sets - because the board is dry OTF) my equity is less than 50% and poker theory dictates to check back OTT, if my intention is to value bet.

However, when we cbet we also have some FEQ, but I'm not too happy about it since we mostly fold out mid PP's like this:

So, that's 18 combos. 18/66=27% (our FEQ).

OTR I still have a reasonable equity and can call a reasonable bet (less than PSB), since I'l have around 37% EQ.
F.e., 1PSB - I need to be ahead 33%. 1/2PSB - 25%.

CONCLUSION#2:
As I said previously, hand is worth 2 streets. At maximum. However, I should strongly consider checking back OTT. FD,SD only comes ~25% and is not big concern here, because not enough combos for Villain. Like 8 combos out of ~50-60 combos total is not a real threat to justify protection/value bet (Am I right?).

All of the dominated TP's OTF had like 14% (for 2 cards to come) equity and already have overpaid for their privilege to hit a 4 outer.
PP's had like 10% equity, which is about the same.

This is a WA/WB situation and most of the time we should check back OTT.


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