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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Originally posted by husky333
Hi Asaban,

Your MTT coaching has helped me a lot. Can't wait for week 6. ;)

Keep up the good work! _thumbsup:

Week 6 was a community tournament (that I won :sifflote: ). Therefore there is no recording available for this lesson. There is currently no plan for further lessons aside from the ones in this thread.

Regards,
Asaban


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ModestasJ
Joined: 10.04.2009

Thank you, Asaban! You are doing great job. As said above, keep up the good work!


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

On my HUD I have BB and ABB, which one do you use when deciding what your stack size is?


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Tizon974
Joined: 08.07.2011

Hello. is there any range we defend BB in mid and late stage an open push with 15 or less BB from late position?


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hardlife66
Joined: 07.10.2014

Hmm, I will try what you have suggested, I've just been in an MTT and I lost 3 hands in a row when I had JJ lost to a flush, JJ again and lost to a straight and Q9s and made 3 of a kind Queens but lost to QJ guess it just wasn't my day! thankfully it was a free tourney.


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Originally posted by Tizon974
Hello. is there any range we defend BB in mid and late stage an open push with 15 or less BB from late position?

Sorry for the late answer and great to see that you guys are still using my lessons. If I get your question right you want to defend the BigBlind against late position open pushes from stacks with 15 or less Bigblinds.
That question is quite hard to answer since it very much depends on the situation. You will call different hands against different positions, stacksizes and opponents. KK+ is a snapcall in almost every situation. JJ, QQ and AK are a call against most mid and late position pushes. More often then not most pocket pairs will work against late position pushes. All other hands are very circumstantial.

Regards,
Asaban


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Diegoni606
Joined: 25.08.2014

¿ hi, in what buy-in tournaments that I can use this strategy ?


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dredgos
Joined: 03.04.2016

Been working through your lessons and its highlighted a wealth of information that I was not aware of or not actively thinking about. I have to say this set of lessons is the best I have used purely down to how well you have presented the information making it nice and easy to digest and look back at whilst learning. I'll be using these posts for some time whilst I'm still starting out learning solid MTT fundamentals.

Amazing job and thank you!


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And am I right in thinking that part of your code contains the data for villain's effective stack? Cause if that's true, then I don't need to even make a comparison between stacksizes.


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99PROBLEMSS
Joined: 29.08.2012

Originally posted by Asaban
Most important stats are VPIP/PFR/3bet. Most other stats won't have sufficient sample size in most cases.
180 man mtsng's are basically the same as a 180 man MTT.
The term MTSNG is used to describe a tournament that has a fixed number of entrants, while still having multiple tables.
MTT's won't have that player cap most of the time and if they do the cap does not have to be hit in order to start the tournament.

Regards,
Asaban

Asaban,
I play at ACR and have a lot of regs in my games and have well over 300 to 500 hands on most. I was wondering if I should start adding more to my hud other than VP, PR, R1st and 3bet. Thanks.


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Dominik12345
Joined: 24.12.2014

Hej Asban,

in the video for the midstage of a tournament I don't understand the calculation with the pocket 88. (1:15:00)
The things you are saying and the actual calculation confuse me.

Could you explain it to me step by step what I have to do to make the calculation correctly, please?
I mean could you write it like a formula or something like that for me?

I would really appreciate it !!!

Thanks in advance.

Best regards
Dominik


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Hey there,
In the spot you meantioned I am doing an equity calculation.
I actually used that hand as an example in my german courses as well.

Let's have a look at it:
PokerStars - Hold'em Tournament - $1500/3000 Blinds - 9 Players

DENSL (UTG+1): $132,583
anelka94 (MP1): $86,634
laguf (MP2): $34,974
brannikov11 (MP3): $63,393
Asabant (CO): $59,369
redol88 (BTN): $171,471
CrackMyQuads (SB): $72,044
pagaille (BB): $188,448
voyou35 (UTG): $100,107

Pre-flop: Dealt to Asabant 8♥ 8♠
(5 folds), Asabant raises to $6,000, (1 folds), CrackMyQuads raises to $71,669 and is all-in, (1 folds), Asabant calls $52,994 and is all-in, CrackMyQuads returns $12,675

We open raise with 20BB remaining from the CO holding 88. The SB, who has more chips then we do, pushes his remaining chips allin. BB folds. Now we have to decide if a call is profitable or not.

First of all we determine what we would be playing for and how much we would have to pay for it.
Since our opponent has us covered, we have to substract the part of his stacksize that we wouldn't be able to call and therefore wouldn't be able to win. In that case it is 72044-59369=12675 chips that we have to substract from the current pot. As you can see in the video the current potsize after his push is 84044. We now substract the part of the pot we wouldn't be playing for: 84044-12675=71369 chips. If we call the pot increases by the amount we have left: 71369+52994=124363 chips. Now that we know how much the resulting pot, that we are playing for, would look like, we can determine how much equity we actually need to make a profitable call. Once again we take the number of chips we would have to pay (52994) and substract them by the pot that we would be playing for (124363): 52994/124363=0.4261 --> 42.61%

We would need 42.61% equity to make a profitable call.
You can now get into Equilab and determine his range. Put our hand against that range and see if we have more or less than the 42.61% we need. If we have more equity you should most likely call. If we get less we should fold.

I have since included a more in depth calculation in my german course. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get the reworked version of the course to the english audience yet. Feel free to post in the feedback forums if you would like to see it happen.

Hope I was able to help!

Regards,
Asaban


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Dominik12345
Joined: 24.12.2014

Hej,

thank you !!
Yeah it is understandable now.

You say that after reaching the money we resume our normal game and that we should use the charts from earlier lessons.
So we still use the openraising charts, re-steal charts and push/fold charts ?!

Is there anything special/different about the play in the money?

Best regards
Dominik


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Correct - you would use the charts we already talked about in the earlier lessons. Only difference is when it gets close to the final table, but I think this part is covered in the late stage lesson.


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Dominik12345
Joined: 24.12.2014

Hej,

it's me again....

I have another question:
We play push or fold when we are under 15 BB.
Does the chart also refer to the effective stack size?

I mean when I am in the SB with let's say 33 BB and the BB has 9 BB, the effective stack size is 9 BB.
Does this mean that I have to play according to the push or fold chart?

Best regards
Dominik


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Correct


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Dominik12345
Joined: 24.12.2014

Hej,

I have a question regarding the early stage.

With which hands should we 3-bet?

Hopefully you can help me since its an area where I still have weaknesses.

Thanks in advance !

Best regards
Dominik


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

We have red hands for 3bets. The range is quite tight - but in the end it is the range I would suggest for beginners in the low limits. 3betting more gets you into more difficult spots that are hard to handle. So I would only expand the 3betting range if you know how to handle the more difficult spots.


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Dominik12345
Joined: 24.12.2014

Hej,

do I understand it correctly that we only call hands when we are in the BB and someone openraised from the BU or SB ?!

Why not calling an openraise from the other postitions?

What also makes me thinking is the fact that your openingranges are pretty lose. ( at least loser than mine)
Could you explain me your thoughts behind that?
I open pretty tight and now I am thinking whether to change my strategy.
Hope you can help me !

Best regards
Dominik


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Asaban
Joined: 22.09.2006

Hey again =)

In general we want to avoid tricky spots as a beginner. Therefore we call less and raise more. The goal is to have the initiative on the flop so we can determine the direction the hand takes. More advanced players will usually still Call tight, while open raising looser and 3betting more.

Being BigBlind has the advantage that calls are less expensive (we already paid for the Big Blind). We can therefore justify calling from time to time with our speculative hands. From all other positions we should rather take the decision between 3betting and folding. Since it is not necessary to take close spots in the lower limits we go for a value range when 3betting and fold all of the other hands against open raises unless we are BB.

Other than that the range is on the tighter side of the spectrum and would result in stats of ~18/16 (VPIP/PFR) or similar.


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