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11$; 6max; bb100; 88 vs a reg, AJ2 flop

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wiarygodny
Joined: 16.07.2009

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $100(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,920)
BB ($3,610)
Hero ($1,510)
CO ($3,400)
BTN ($1,560)

Dealt to Hero 8♦ 8♣

Hero raises to $200, fold, fold, SB calls $150, fold

FLOP ($500) 2♦ J♥ A♦

SB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($500) 2♦ J♥ A♦ Q♣

SB bets $250, Hero calls $250

RIVER ($1,000) 2♦ J♥ A♦ Q♣ 6♣

SB bets $500, Hero folds

SB wins $1,000

reg, blocked on SS 10/5/4.5/487

ive got a feeling i couldnt have played this one any worse :f_cry:

vs his stats i should have just given up after seeing this flop, right? and if i decide to check back flop (some SD value) to call turn i should have changed that plan after seeing the turn card, right?

or maybe thats too weak and you like my check back on the flop but would prefer to fold this particular turn?

or maybe checking back flop makes little sense since our SD value is not that great after all and looking at his stats by betting flop we may actually fold out some better hands (99, TT, maybe KJ or sth).

so basically i would choose between either giving up straight away or bet/folding flop. The line i took makes the least sense imo, even if the turn is an undercard im not happy with a call.

edit: ive just found a very similar hand:
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $100(BB) Replayer
SB ($2,545)
BB ($2,010)
UTG ($1,840)
Hero ($1,500)
CO ($1,770)
BTN ($2,335)

Dealt to Hero 9♠ 9♦

fold, Hero raises to $200, fold, fold, SB calls $150, fold

FLOP ($500) J♠ 3♠ A♣

SB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($500) J♠ 3♠ A♣ 5♦

SB bets $250, Hero calls $250

RIVER ($1,000) J♠ 3♠ A♣ 5♦ 2♠

SB checks, Hero checks

this time its also against a reg, but a BE one 16/12/2/309

as you can see i took exactly the same line (just this time the turn card was better) but im not really happy abt it, at least im not sure its the best line. Would you look at these two hands in the same way or their stats make them totally different? Tbh i really struggle to think of the best line in either of these situations. if i had to choose id say that i would cbet/fold both hands, but im really not sure abt it. Any help much appreciated. cheers!


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kevvu
Joined: 11.05.2008

Hello,
As played u cant call on turn. This player is pretty much never bluffing according the stats. I would cbet this flop, cause we can get better hands to fold sometimes, value vs draws +protection, like u said.
Yeah, just cbet/fold both hands. If u post 2 hands, use different threads. 2nd hand player might be a bit more aggressive, but both are really tight players and 99% of time playing for value in these hands.
hf
kevvu


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