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Tim128
Joined: 29.01.2017

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 85.5 BB (VPIP: 20.43, PFR: 9.61, 3Bet Preflop: 4.82, Hands: 242)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 226 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 40.74, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 27)
MP: 193.5 BB (VPIP: 21.31, PFR: 13.11, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 64)
CO: 54 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 66)
BTN: 213.5 BB (VPIP: 29.03, PFR: 21.67, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 63)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4♥ 2♥

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, CO calls 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 3 players) T♥ 8♥ 7♥
Hero bets 3.5 BB, UTG raises to 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB, Hero raises to 98 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 91 BB, fold

Turn: (209.5 BB, 2 players) 2♠

River: (209.5 BB, 2 players) 6♦

Spoiler

Hero shows 4♥ 2♥ (Flush, Ten High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)
UTG shows 4♣ 9♣ (Straight, Ten High)
(Pre 67%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins 202 BB
Rake paid 7.5 BB

Comments:
I have seen UTG spew money left and right, his stack is big because he just won an all-in where he called wit A5s before the flop, to win about 60BB then the hand after that he called another all-in having bottom pair (against a bluff).

About CO I don't have too many notes yet, but his stack is small, so probably not a huge pro.

Preflop I call because:
1) The costs are low
2) If I hit something, the UTG will pay me huge.

I flop the flush, but this was a very weird situation, I've never been in before, decided to go all-in after the UTG raised me, because I thougt I am good now, but didn't know what to do on the turn if a heart came.

But my questions:
- How would you play this hand, against regular opponents, this time I was lucky to have a recreational player in the hand, but I really do not know how I should've played such a hand against regulars.

- What to do if I had an even weaker premium hand in this example (so against the recreational player), what if I had TT, 88 or 69o / 9Jo (straight or set).


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

Well normally with a hand that draws to The nuts is usually strong enough to atleast to call. And IF villian overplays pair+draws we're golden!


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You may not push vs a reg here.
With a set you should call his raise as you have a redraw.


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msnek
Joined: 01.10.2008

Since there is only 1 lower possible flush in our range (2h3h ... lol) I think we can consider just calling OTF. Also his raise in MW pot means his range is gonna be MUCH stronger than it would be in single raised pot. Oh, and he does not have a bluff here....like almost never.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

If you have a set in a similar situation (note: it is min-raised by a known fish and remotely competent late position players should play a big chunk of their range), be very careful. The reason isn't the flush only (perhaps 20 of them to worry about), but it is also the 16 combos of J9 that at least the button should play. With bottom set you'd have 12 more combos to worry about.

Your questions are hard to answer (and probably shouldn't be answered) because change the situation just a tiny bit and the right play may be the opposite. If the fish had been a reg and opened with 4 bb you can forget about most made straights and flushes (like your own 4♥:2♥:).

P.S. I saw the spoiler. You should be very nice to Mr. UTG.


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Tim128
Joined: 29.01.2017

Thanks all for the replies, I know that the other questions are hard to answer but I asked them as I would defend any 2 cards in this situation, so all the scenarios are possible... And the main thing I was thinking on this board was, if I can't play 4♥: 2♥: on this board, then why would I ever defend this hand, but having notes helps, knowing that the opponent is an extreme calling machine, so on this scenario the all-in was not that hard.

But I think going over this hand multiple times just helps me realize how hard playing low suited cards actually can be, even the most favorable flop for you can be a hard spot (if opponent is a regular, but then again I only defend this hand against regulars as the BB vs SB)

And of course I was nice to mr. UTG I even marked him as friend, I like to play with friends!


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oI2ange
Joined: 21.07.2015

Given the min open, there are a ton of flush combos in villain's range. I would just call the min raise and try to get to showdown (generally). Lol @ the result.


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MrQNo
Joined: 30.09.2006

On the flop, you have a flush while your opponents might have one, and then again, they might not. Of course, there is no wekaer flush than yours, and both players can have a LOT of Combos that give them that better flush. But they also can have a straight, set, flush draw, oesd, even top or overpair. Use Equilab to see how you will perform against those cards.

But you ask that questions on the flop. Now, it is too late. You got a nearly perfect flop. What else have you expected? If you want to wait for 442 or A35, you won't get the pot odds, so you cannot play 42s at all. If you play, you have to push the flush.


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